maryandjames
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Post by maryandjames on Jun 21, 2009 17:25:45 GMT
The point to changing things is to make money, not a quality game. It would take too much space to explain this and give evidence but as I said before, if your a fan of the Warcraft series/WoW you'll know what I mean or should know. It is just a poor attempt to getting more money from people who aren't into the series while trying to appeal to the fans with *new* stuff but really it is just regurgitated stuff. If it was Team Silent, it is one thing because they really cared about the product, companies only care for money most of the time. It is a fact. Why don't they make a new story? With how the environment is so different, it would of been appealing to me. So... if a game or game series changes it's mechanics to a certain degree it's automatically flawed? Funny, no-one complained about implementing RPG elements into the Castlevania games, or the slight alterations in FF, or the mixture of genres in games like Deus Ex and System Shock, etc. The SH series *did* become stale, and the only logical way to approach it further without the original team is to change it at least 90° left or right. And no, I find WoW to be utterly boring, so I can't find any arguments there, sorry. And how the hell is stuff like the no weapons-scheme and the profile "regurgitating"? I don't see that anywhere, really. Clocktower did it with no weapons. Haunting Ground too. Anything else? And why wouldn't there be more people playing the series? Is that a bad thing? My best bud played SH3 first and sought out the rest, including Homecoming. So? Do they lose anything because they have played a subjectively inferior game bearing the Silent Hill name? Hell, I've just picked up Dragon Quest VIII without any knowledge about the games at all, and as much as I despise the character design, I'm eager to play more of the series already - but nobody was anxious about DQVIII because it was tried and tested formula - something gaming should avoid if we want it to grow further. Yes, companies care for money. They need to live, for one. That doesn't mean a whole successful series (of any kind of product) will be ruined by one single edition/game/issue/whatever. Don't get me wrong, I'm skeptical about this as much as the next guy, but considering they basically stated this is in no way canon, but a take on the Silent Hill franchise in a different way with a mere touch of the original through Akira, what's there not to like, really? In short, you whine too much, as does the rest of the internet. STFUAJPG. I did not state changing mechanics is bad. I welcome the new mechanics but changing lore is a no no unless their is a damn good reason which their might be but seeing how 5 turned out, I am worried. And I am talking about the lore of the game and only lore. I stated this in my first post and I also said the mechanics were fine. They are regurgitating the lore is what I meant. That is my only concern atm for this game is how the story is being changed. Everything else is fine. I am interested in the new mechanics they have planned. But why not make new characters and story? Yes more people getting into the series can be bad. That is where WoW comes in but it is too much to explain. In a nutshell, the game started out great but as more and more people got into it, the game degenerated due to people complaining about this and that all the time. It is a known fact. After 4 years, the game isn't as good as it use to be. So yes in certain respect more people getting into can be a bad thing for the original fans. Also, why are you insulting me? I did not attack you in anyway that I know of. I stated my concern, why I have it and then I am deemed a whiner and you put STFUAJPG which I know what STFU is but what is the rest of it mean? : [ And it wasn't 1 this is possibly gonna onto number 2. If SH goes the way of WoW lore, which you have no idea, then it will turn to garbage. I love the serious and have a fear of it going to crap. Maybe you don't care as much as I do or perhaps you care in a different way.
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Post by Pseudosapien on Jun 21, 2009 18:50:20 GMT
@ AlexY please watch the attitude, not everyone is a chantard and your methods of banter can result in offense that actually counts on forums. (but yeah, on this kind of thing the whole internet does bitch a hell of a lot....and if i had the time to do so right now then dear lawd would i be joining them a li'l on this one.. ¬_¬; )
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Post by AlexY on Jun 21, 2009 20:03:19 GMT
@ AlexY please watch the attitude, not everyone is a chantard and your methods of banter can result in offense that actually counts on forums. Good point. I did sound a bit over-the-top - it was a bad day at the time of posting. If I offended, sorry, I didn't mean to. :/ But let's keep it clear - essentially, they are not changing the lore - they are using the same concept in a different context making a new subtext. Nothing more. Silent Hill SM has it's own little microcosmos and that's that. Also, you can't really expect SH to have the same popularity, or even the same popularity growth, as a huge game such as WoW. (Huge as in mucho advertising dinero.) I highly doubt that there's going to be so many new players that dumbing down the series or changing its core gameplay is going to happen. EDIT: Also, STFUAJPG means Shut The Fudge Up And Just Play Games. Just so you know.
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maryandjames
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Heather *A child's love for her father*
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Post by maryandjames on Jun 22, 2009 0:58:47 GMT
@ AlexY please watch the attitude, not everyone is a chantard and your methods of banter can result in offense that actually counts on forums. Good point. I did sound a bit over-the-top - it was a bad day at the time of posting. If I offended, sorry, I didn't mean to. :/ But let's keep it clear - essentially, they are not changing the lore - they are using the same concept in a different context making a new subtext. Nothing more. Silent Hill SM has it's own little microcosmos and that's that. Also, you can't really expect SH to have the same popularity, or even the same popularity growth, as a huge game such as WoW. (Huge as in mucho advertising dinero.) I highly doubt that there's going to be so many new players that dumbing down the series or changing its core gameplay is going to happen. EDIT: Also, STFUAJPG means Shut The Fudge Up And Just Play Games. Just so you know. It is no problem :]. Just keep in mind not everyone is a raving QQer. I see them a lot but I would hope I was giving reasonable concern. Like I said before, I will have to play the finish product cause a company can claim one thing and do another. So we will see :]
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Post by alx on Jun 22, 2009 2:14:06 GMT
They're always stirring up trouble on SHF @ AlexY please watch the attitude, not everyone is a chantard and your methods of banter can result in offense that actually counts on forums. (but yeah, on this kind of thing the whole internet does bitch a hell of a lot....and if i had the time to do so right now then dear lawd would i be joining them a li'l on this one.. ¬_¬; )
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Post by Tabris on Jun 22, 2009 18:57:24 GMT
The new interview provided some great insight. Still need to play it. Some how it almost seems like this SH could possibly be actually canon. A massive mindfuck and a half, which is fantastic.
Guess we'll all find out in a few months.
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Post by roki on Jun 23, 2009 10:42:31 GMT
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Post by Father Vincent on Jun 23, 2009 22:26:07 GMT
1. This actually looks pretty good. 2. I like the music already. 3. Gonna have to get used to seeing the ice rather than the bloody, rusty metal grates. 4. That's Dahlia? WTF? I'd be interested to see how that figures.
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Post by Lolli on Jun 24, 2009 14:54:07 GMT
When on God's Earth did Dahlia get hot!?
But lol, "It's my house!" Sure it is Harry, sure it is.
At least I know the dude at the beginning isn't Kaufman and I have to admit, the monsters though not the best design I've ever seen, were damn creepy when they were chasing Harry. I guess it's like Clock Tower where you have to hide until they go away.
And Mary McGlynn is back again, yay!
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Post by Tabris on Jun 24, 2009 17:48:53 GMT
I'm pretty sure the monsters will become more twisted and bizarre as you play the game. I think since that's the beginning of the game (and someone elses profile, your monsters could look ENTIRELY different possibly), they look generic.
I'm hoping anyways, because in terms of Silent Hill monsters, that is pretty damn generic.
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Post by SilentHero on Jun 24, 2009 21:52:55 GMT
I haven't really spoke on this thread, but I've been following it heavily. I think by looking at the trailer that you can tell that this is not a real time remaking of Silent Hill but a re-imagining by a much older Harry trying to recover from the experience. Harry obviously seeks out the help of this Psychologist and together they go through the events of Silent Hill. But does the psychologist somehow manipulate the actual events in Harry's mind and that is what we see in the game? We know the psyche test actually does that, but story wise the psychologist could be more than he appears. Perhaps he is a cultist using hypnosis and whatever mind games the cult uses to confuse Harry and maybe even perhaps learn the location of the reborn Alessa. Maybe even trying to convert Harry into a cultist or make him a mad killer by altering his psyche and memories. (two possible alternate endings?) This could link to Silent Hill 3 where Harry killed a man revealed to be a cultist. Could the psychologist character be a cultist and this game is a clever way to create a game between SH1 and 3 featuring Harry and his coping with the ordeal of the first game? The lyrics in the trailer would also point to that IMO, "Maybe I didn't treat you quite as good as I should have... If I ever made you feel second best, I'm so sorry... I was blind". Seems to me that this song is from the perspective of Harry talking about Heather perhaps and his grief and possible inadvertent angry at her for Cheryl's "death". So basically I'm saying it is a retelling, but not a remake. Maybe some off us can calm down now. P.S. I know some will say "what about the ice?" Well, that could only be one possible form of the other world, and we won't know for certain until the game comes out. P.P.S. I just realized that the song in the trailer is actually a cover of the song "Always On My Mind". It's a great song and Mary McGlynn does it wonderfully, but I can hear some moaning that Akira isn't trying to be original anymore.
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Post by Lolli on Jun 25, 2009 12:17:17 GMT
When a monster attacks you on the Wii, you shake the remote to get them off but what I want to know is what they'll do for the PS2. Maybe you just rapidly tap a button.
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Post by roki on Jun 25, 2009 15:52:36 GMT
I just realized that this game will be the first not to feature Nurses!
Pointless, but just wanted to say it ;p
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maryandjames
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Heather *A child's love for her father*
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Post by maryandjames on Jun 25, 2009 20:10:52 GMT
I haven't really spoke on this thread, but I've been following it heavily. I think by looking at the trailer that you can tell that this is not a real time remaking of Silent Hill but a re-imagining by a much older Harry trying to recover from the experience. Harry obviously seeks out the help of this Psychologist and together they go through the events of Silent Hill. But does the psychologist somehow manipulate the actual events in Harry's mind and that is what we see in the game? We know the psyche test actually does that, but story wise the psychologist could be more than he appears. Perhaps he is a cultist using hypnosis and whatever mind games the cult uses to confuse Harry and maybe even perhaps learn the location of the reborn Alessa. Maybe even trying to convert Harry into a cultist or make him a mad killer by altering his psyche and memories. (two possible alternate endings?) This could link to Silent Hill 3 where Harry killed a man revealed to be a cultist. Could the psychologist character be a cultist and this game is a clever way to create a game between SH1 and 3 featuring Harry and his coping with the ordeal of the first game? The lyrics in the trailer would also point to that IMO, "Maybe I didn't treat you quite as good as I should have... If I ever made you feel second best, I'm so sorry... I was blind". Seems to me that this song is from the perspective of Harry talking about Heather perhaps and his grief and possible inadvertent angry at her for Cheryl's "death". So basically I'm saying it is a retelling, but not a remake. Maybe some off us can calm down now. P.S. I know some will say "what about the ice?" Well, that could only be one possible form of the other world, and we won't know for certain until the game comes out. I will relax when I see the final product because ultimately talk is cheap and SH5 was already a fail in some aspects.
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Post by Cenobite, that cute pariah on Jun 29, 2009 20:01:09 GMT
Game Informer published an interview I rather enjoyed. I think it can be viewed without subscriber access. Check it out here.
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