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Post by Pyramid Head on Jul 3, 2009 13:32:52 GMT
I was a fan in the 80's but then he went completely weird. To me he died when that happened.
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Post by BogeyMeph on Jul 3, 2009 19:50:05 GMT
I was more upset with Farrah Fawcett's death. I really feel bad for her.. she died hours before Michael Jackson.. she's been totally forgotten. She was a brave women and died a horrible death.. she struggled til the end.
and now, god.. I think we were up to 5 celebrity deaths for the month of June. I think that's where we ended.. David Carradine, Ed MacMahon, Farrah Fawcett, Michael Jackson, Billy Mays, and Wayne Allwine (voice of the current Mickey Mouse).
I'm just going to leave you with two jokes:
Farrah Fawcett gets to heaven. At the Pearly Gates, St. Peter greets her and says "Farrah.. you struggled and fought so bravely.. so strongly.. and died so soon.. You inspired people to keep fighting, no matter the odds.. You were so brave. So God says, he would like to reward your efforts.. so we are granting you one wish.. anything you would like, we can grant". Farrah thought for a brief moment and said, "I would like God to protect all the children of the world". And so God killed Michael Jackson.
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someone on the Wiener Whiner Line on WEEI, Sports radio called this one in about Michael Jackson: "Only in America can you grow up a poor black man and die a rich white woman"
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Post by blackswordsman on Jul 8, 2009 1:38:28 GMT
^Hey BogeyMeph, I was on The Offspring's board and someone said Noodles (the guitar player) told that exact same joke. Weird. Unfortunately I don't find it the least bit funny, just offensive. And I have a really good sense of humor. Oh well...
I was never the biggest fan and just started really listening and digging for some of his less well known music about a month or two before his death (damn jinx?). So I have some new favorite songs now! Anyway, I watched the memorial today. I was fine but Brook Shield's testimony got me a little teary eyed. Yeah, but the worse was when his brother started singing "Smile". That was just cheap. I love that song and it always moves me. I'm not a pussy, but today, I totally fell like one. Haha. ... Ok, I'm kinda emotional. A good thing from all of this is that I discovered at least one more good song from him, "Dirty Diana". That's just great, love the melody, bass, guitar.
Yeah, he clearly had issues, but the more you see about him the less weird he gets, it's that the media always highlighted only his weird moments. Seeing Brook Shield's testimony today, together with some other interviews in the past, I don't think he was a bad person or a predator. So I have respect for the guy.
Yeah.
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Post by BogeyMeph on Jul 10, 2009 0:45:27 GMT
really? I haven't listened to Offspring in forever (hey, I didn't know the guitarist was named Noodles I thought that was Gorillaz (well.. Noodle.. no S) that's kinda ironic :3) and I didn't think it was too offensive. I mean. the man paid off the family of a child cancer survivor so the kid wouldn't testify about Michael touching him. The lawyers stated that there was a large cash settlement and that he wasn't "found innocent", the kid just wouldn't testify, so they had no information ; and he said himself "it's okay to sleep with someone else's child as long as it's innocent"... there's nothing innocent about sleeping in bed... with a child.. that isn't yours... So the joke was more catered to the information. And I know he wasn't ALL bad, but I do firmly believed he was touching children and had inappropriate relations with them. Not saying outright sex, but something not innocent. Intention behind the relations counts too. His house was dedicated to luring children in. I mean.. Neverland Ranch? What kid DIDN'T want to go there? it had rides, games, etc. Also, he did legit dangle his youngest son out of a window several stories above ground. there's 0 excuse for that. I'm not saying he's the worst, but I'm saying in the ways of children, he wasn't exactly.... great. and I think this whooooole death thing has been way over hyped. Tons of great people die and nobody does much of anything. But Wacko Jacko (not my term for him) dies and the world stops and when he's dead, no one will give a bad testimony. Especially at the guy's Memorial and right after it. That person would've been shot. The jokes were meant light-heartedly because we heard them from my brother and everyone over there thought they were hilarious. I thought I'd share them, especially because I'd heard some MUCH MUCH worse. All meant in fun. I meant no offense.
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Post by blacky on Jul 10, 2009 2:16:21 GMT
and I think this whooooole death thing has been way over hyped. Tons of great people die and nobody does much of anything. But Wacko Jacko (not my term for him) dies and the world stops Yeah, I think it's kinda perverse this celebrity culture thing. Jackson did alot of good things, made great music (IMO) payed money to charities ect. But in the end he's still just one man. He should be known for the way he contributes, not hounded after by paparazi and fans everytime he does the littlest of things. What's so friggin important about any celebrity that their image has to be pasted in front of us all the time? He can't even die without the world peering in on him. People die all the time. Somehow I doubt Jackson would of liked that his death becomes an major event while there are poor people out there who will die alone, not noticed, not cared about.
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Post by Lolli on Jul 10, 2009 11:04:28 GMT
I know it's wrong BogeyMeph but that joke you made just made me giggle. I feel awful for laughing now.
Anyway, the whole thing is getting out of control. he's still appearing on the front cover of newspapers even though he's already been buried or cremated, whatever. The point is, I want real news again.
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Post by blackswordsman on Jul 11, 2009 0:11:49 GMT
BogeyMeph, I didn't mean to imply you were being offensive or that I was mad or anything.
I (like most people on the internet these days, it seems) don't like much all this celebrity culture, and I never said MJ was better than other people or anything like it. He's just a man as you all said it. I don't know why there are so many people that think they have to tell others that there are other people dying, poor, and suffering. I know that very well, and I guess most people do as well. I don't treat his death differently than any other persons. I just try to respect people's death. Maybe if he was, I don't know, Hitler, I wouldn't feel bad, but that's not the case.
And, well, at least I believe he never sexually assauted any kid. But that's just me. The first family accepted cash to stay quiet, as you said it. Would you accept cash if your child was abused? I find that very odd, and I think it says more about the parents than MJ, who *might* had only tried to see himself free of the problem. And he clearly had mental issues, but that's the thing, I think he didn't think about the children sexually. I think I can understand a little how he could had seen in kids the ones closer to him. Of course I may be wrong and he did abused some kids. I don't think so, but I'm not a psychic, no one is and can know for sure.
About the joke, it's not like I got offended. I just really don't see anything funny in it, it's too... obvious, for a joke.
Well, at least we can say his fans can rest easy that his jorney through insanity ended before it could get worse, and his detractors can rest easy he'll not abuse any kids anymore.
I just think the saddest thing is, that in this day and age, people always think the worse about others. People aren't able to believe someone isn't a pervert or a criminal. I think all this discussion says more about us than about the person that's no longer here. Peace.
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Post by AlexY on Jul 12, 2009 21:27:14 GMT
I was really bummed during the whole spectacle of his death. Bummed because he died, bummed because it was so overblown... Poor kids. It was hard to watch them in front of his casket.
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Post by Lolli on Jul 13, 2009 14:24:22 GMT
And, well, at least I believe he never sexually assauted any kid. But that's just me. The first family accepted cash to stay quiet, as you said it. Would you accept cash if your child was abused? I find that very odd, and I think it says more about the parents than MJ, who *might* had only tried to see himself free of the problem. And he clearly had mental issues, but that's the thing, I think he didn't think about the children sexually. I think I can understand a little how he could had seen in kids the ones closer to him. Of course I may be wrong and he did abused some kids. I don't think so, but I'm not a psychic, no one is and can know for sure. I just think the saddest thing is, that in this day and age, people always think the worse about others. People aren't able to believe someone isn't a pervert or a criminal. I think all this discussion says more about us than about the person that's no longer here. Peace. I felt sorry for him but there will always be reasonable doubt as to whether he did something to those boys.
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Post by blacky on Jul 13, 2009 20:41:48 GMT
I just think the saddest thing is, that in this day and age, people always think the worse about others. People aren't able to believe someone isn't a pervert or a criminal. I think all this discussion says more about us than about the person that's no longer here. If he didn't want such a reputation he should of put more thought into how people might perceive him. Personally I believe he was innocent, but I think he was stupid to invite kids round and try to be one of them. The reaction he would of gotten was obvious, and he just made things worse for himself when he menctioned about sharing a bed, you simply do not do that with other people's children. If he wanted to have some sort of kinship with children he had his own kids to do that with. I respect Jackson, though some of that respect was loss when I realied that Jackson didn't think about the consequences of his own actions, with the child abuse scandals, the overspending of money leading him into dept, and the selling of live performaces before he bothered to check if he was fit enougth to perform them. He seemed to me to be a man that didn't think things through before he acted
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Post by BogeyMeph on Jul 13, 2009 21:13:05 GMT
Blacky and Lolli, I agree with you guys. There will always be reasonable doubt and he certainly didn't think about things before he did them. Personally, I think the worst offense of all was just dangling his baby out of a window. But that's me. there is doubt on the perversion. There is NO doubt about hanging a baby out a window. I think he had a major screw loose and that's terrible, but he also didn't get the help he obviously needed and instead, used his time, fame, and money near the end getting meds he perhaps didn't need or took improperly. He needed some help to sort through his childhood, his sexuality, his issues.. there's so much stuff that could've been done or avoided.
I just think that if we mourn all potentially dangerous people with mental issues then people are going to be killing themselves with grief when Charles Manson dies. I mean, Jackson wasn't THAT bad but he did a lot of bad things because he wasn't treated for things he should've been treated for. That's all I can say. And I'm not into the tabloids and all that stuff (I watch the news. it's the only reason I know these things) so I'm not a celebrity follower or anything. I just hate how celebrities can't die with respect and quiet. They get saluted as the greatest heroes of our times and when someone wonderful dies it's like "oh.. she suffered with cancer? eh.. this guy dangled babies D: and he sang songs and danced... WAY more important!" The media is horrible like that >> it's a shame, really.
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Post by blacky on Jul 15, 2009 1:42:43 GMT
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Post by BogeyMeph on Jul 15, 2009 2:27:24 GMT
I hadn't heard that. WTF. >> he screwed up like.. 3 of his kids, if the other two boys are insane. So like. ugh. He has to screw up 6 of them?
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Post by Lolli on Jul 15, 2009 19:32:23 GMT
Once a bastard always a bastard, he's a money grabbing. S.O.B
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Post by dreggnog on Jul 16, 2009 16:49:02 GMT
I was watching a TV in a restaurant when I saw the first news story on it. I knew the whole thing was going to eclipse all other news for quite some time. I was waiting for Obama to come out and say, "This is a day which will live in infamy..."
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