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Post by mr. worncoat on Dec 11, 2010 10:05:52 GMT
I'd like to think of them as seperate games, because having both of them take place in Cheryl's head is, in my opinion, stupid. And I'm not out to argue anybody to death. I'm just going to disagree. Continuously. That statement's kind of like not being hypocritical.
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Post by AlexY on Dec 11, 2010 15:30:51 GMT
IMHO SM is a "what if?" scenario. However, if you take SH:3 Possessed ending and apply it to SM... Can you elaborate on your connection? If SM says that Cheryl had many unsuccessful therapies before, with random delusions and whatnot, what if SH1, (maybe even SH2 and 0) and 3 were just that - her mind processing the information of Harry's death with different therapies. SH1 - drug induced mania, hospital treatment in Alchemilla SH2/SH0 - withdrawal/alter-ego phase, focus on inner sexual desires and relationship problems in the asylum SH3 - first concrete psychotherapy in Brookhaven, losing the 'Cult' as a crutch SH:SM - final therapy with Kaufmann, true memories arise Harry dies in a car crash. Cheryl thinks it's because of Dahlia. Problem child; drugs, booze, sex, risky behaviour. Overdose. Admitted into Alchemilla where first delusions are born. Delusions made even worse because of lousy therapy, makes her think she is someone else. Brought to asylum for further treatment. After slight improvements, she moves to Brookhaven, where hospital delusions trigger the 'Cult' themes again. After dealing with those delusions once more, she seems normal enough. Yet, she kills 'Douglas' after seeing him in a mall guard (thinking he's a remnant from her delusions), which leads her to another therapy with Kaufmann. True facts and repressed memories arise. But it's very very very very stretched.
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Post by blacky on Dec 11, 2010 16:48:31 GMT
Oh God I hope the whole series hasn't just happened in Cheryl's head. That would be poor story telling on the creator's part. Everyone knows not to end an story with 'it all was in their head' or 'It all was a dream'. That's something that an english teacher would tell you off for doing
I mean all that history, all that character development, meaningless because it never happened. It's also very anti-climatic.
If they were to insult our dedication like that, then they might as well end the series by having it all been a dream that Eddie had while sleeping in the changing rooms when he was supposed to be attending an fat loss program. The dreams being offstarted by an funky pizza he found in a dumpster a few hours earlyer.
I am not saying the theory is wrong, I am just saying it would be terrible for the story if it was true.
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Post by katran on Dec 14, 2010 21:21:36 GMT
So the only way for SH:SM to be canon is if all the other games are in Cheryl's head. Which basically agrees with what I've said all along: if SH:SM is canon, then all the other games never happened, at least not outside Cheryl's head. I find it hard to believe that the powers-that-be are trying to say, "Psych! All of that stuff never even happened! Har har, didn't we pull a funny?!"
I still agree with those who say that SH:SM is not part of the canon, but a spin-off, "Wouldn't it be interesting if..." scenario.
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Post by blacky on Dec 15, 2010 3:30:43 GMT
The idea of the whole series in Cheryl's head is also one big "Fuck you" to everything that 'Team Silent' Achieved. I mean how would you feel if you spent serveral years creating one of the best Physiological horror game franchise, then one of the teams taking over from you turns round and says "Not only are we going to change everything, but we are going to write it that all your games didn't even happen"
If this theory did turn out to be true, then Akira Yamaoka is a dick. He co-worked with Climax on Shattered Memories. I don't think he would betray his past team mates like that
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Post by katran on Dec 15, 2010 15:46:12 GMT
I'd like to think of them as seperate games, because having both of them take place in Cheryl's head is, in my opinion, stupid. And I'm not out to argue anybody to death. I'm just going to disagree. Continuously. That statement's kind of like not being hypocritical. I don't see anything hypocritical about Lolli's statement. Oh God I hope the whole series hasn't just happened in Cheryl's head. That would be poor story telling on the creator's part. Everyone knows not to end an story with 'it all was in their head' or 'It all was a dream'. That's something that an english teacher would tell you off for doing. The idea of the whole series in Cheryl's head is also one big "Fuck you" to everything that 'Team Silent' Achieved. I mean how would you feel if you spent serveral years creating one of the best Physiological horror game franchise, then one of the teams taking over from you turns round and says "Not only are we going to change everything, but we are going to write it that all your games didn't even happen" Agreed. I think that type of thing is such a cop-out. I really hope the series isn't going that way.
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Post by mr. worncoat on Dec 17, 2010 11:25:52 GMT
I don't see anything hypocritical about Lolli's statement. I meant myself. Saying I wasn't arguing but would argue to the death, just more stupid humor.
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