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Post by rose on Feb 1, 2012 21:10:39 GMT
I was just thinking about this, and I couldn't find an answer so...I decided to see what you guys had to say.
Could James see the same monsters as Angela? Because I know they're called "Doormen" to him, but did he know and understand them? Because you know to Angela they represented her abused past.
I was just wondering if James saw them the same way as her.
edit: Oh also, I'm sorry for adding this but....How was James about to SEE Angela's monsters at all? Or even Eddies for that matter? Because they had nothing to do with him. Or did they?
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Post by Tabris on Feb 1, 2012 22:13:57 GMT
Holy crap seeing a new thread is like stepping outside of Vault 101 in Fallout 3 for the first time. The light is so blinding and the world suddenly seems so vast again!
I think in a way Silent Hill is a bit of a melting pot of manifestations and ideas. So James and Angela interacting together like that, they likely seen the same monster. I also think since James and Angela both had 'sexual' aspects in their inner guilt, the same type of monster manifested itself.
So honestly, Angela probably created it and since the hotel likely had a sexual history for James and Mary it was probably able to manifest itself within a relevant reason to be there. That could also have to do with Angela's presence there though or a combined reason.
Honestly, I started to believe the 'melting pot' theory mostly because they started using the same monsters and such in other games. It was a reasonable way to accept that monsters may not necessarily be exclusive but may appear because someone else created them and may be a relevant manifestation for other 'protagonists'.
If this was the SH forum 10 years ago, I'd just say simply it was Angela's creation and James could see it all the same. I'd also say it's a bit of a coincidence that it'd be relevant to James at all but it would work.
As for Eddie's, I think it's just because they're already dead that he sees them. It's not like we actually see people laughing at Eddie at any point. So we're probably just seeing the remains of his victims.
I hope this makes sense at all and it's just a theory (as always) and not really fact. I'm also on a new sleep schedule and I'm somewhat still asleep~
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Post by alx on Feb 2, 2012 0:05:30 GMT
Actually, I think the question to ask is "What did Angela see?" because obviously we see what James sees...
Consider a Venn diagram approach to Silent Hill monsters; the more overlap you have with a crime, the more effected you could be by the physical manifestation
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Post by shade on Feb 2, 2012 0:47:31 GMT
Yeah I would go with melting pot explaination, I mean I think it was quite evident that James' reality bleeds through to Eddie's and Angela's now and then.
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Post by rose on Feb 3, 2012 1:16:24 GMT
Great replies! That does make sense. I was also thinking of Laura, and the fact that she didn't see any monsters at all. But then I remembered that she is totally innocent, so why would she. Everyone else had serious baggage, so it does make sense now they'd see the same things. Thanks!
Edit: Heh, Fall out 3 reference. That game was alot of fun to play. <3
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Post by AlexY on Feb 3, 2012 10:51:40 GMT
Quite simple really - Angela saw her dad (or some kind of demented vision of him), while James sees the "door/bed".
James can't see her dad because he has nothing to do with it, but he can see the "residue" that connects with his situation, i.e. two figures writhing in a bed, one suffocating the other (which can apply to both Angela and him). The room however is part of Angela's world - the holes and pistons are clear symbols of penetration, and the room itself is sort of coated in mucky tissue (probably implying a uterus).
James essentially steps into Angela's world for a brief moment. (Why all those newspapers outside? To cover up the "tears" between his and hers Otherworld, since Labyrinth isn't a real place. Newspapers also "detach" Neely's Bar from the rest of the town, and Neely's is where the "hole" was and James gets the message at night.) James steps into Otherworlds of Angela and Eddie almost every time he meets them, if not all:
- the hotel room with Eddie has a body in the fridge - Eddie's a fatso, obviously - the body looks just like an ordinary human body to James - could be any sort of demented creature in Eddie's eyes - the same room also has football posters and related graffiti - Eddie's knee victim - the hotel mirror room with Angela has a crippled teddy bear, teared up photo, two coloured doors, all implying she's going through a personality disorder AND family issues - the only time SH looks deceptively normal is when Laura is around... - Eddie: "She said she's fine by herself, a fatso like me would just slow her down." - Laura: "Why should I?" - Eddie's boss fight is in a large freezer - filled with meat - and he ends up the same way - a useless, inert slab of meat - Angela in the hotel stairway is looking at a "picture" - this is essentially what remains of the figure being suffocated in the "door/bed" - a used body; either herself, her mother, or both - "For me, it's always like this"
So yeah, James gets a glimpse of their worlds (they probably see some of his too). This also shows James how he can deal with his situation (Angela - In Water, Laura - Leave) while Eddie triggers James' memory (and Maria is, well, Maria).
These situations are also similar to SH4 (where the entire game is Walter's personal Otherworld presented to Henry the Receiver and the victims) and 0rigins (where Alessa uses Travis' Otherworld to obtain the Flauros).
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Post by Tabris on Feb 3, 2012 11:10:32 GMT
^^^ Also very reasonable and good points.
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