Some Silent Hill-related doodlies o' mine.

[Pseudosapien]

I doubt anyone recalls, but back on SHF i posted some photos of a few pics i was working on.
Now i have access to scanning technologeee and have the urge to glean some opinions, so here they are in slightly better qualiteee.^^



^ I am really fond of this one, though it still needs some work to darken all the dodgy inking, and i am still unsure wether i want to detail li'l Walters hair or not...bah.



^ This was mainly just to try out some ideas for shadows and practice using darker tones overall, but i am quite pleased with the results, especially the helmet and background.



^ And purely to beef up the thread a bit more, this is a pic that began with me doing some pipe practice (interpret that as you will), then Heather showed up (with extremely dodgy hands, i know.¬_¬), and it all went sideways from there. The flashlight is a bit garish, though this was also my first time fiddling with light effects on my pc so i let it slide.

Whatcha tink?

[Vaan-Knight]

Awesome!! the Valtiel and PH ones rule! and the SH4 one reminded me of a weird dream I had once, I think it looks better without color and the no eyes detail adds a touch of melancholy, was it on purpose?
Heather looks great, tired and sick of so much pain and bizarre happenings, the flashlight looks like some sort of small holy halo (coincidence?).
A truly great job, thanks for sharing it (o___<)--b

[Pseudosapien]

Feb 25, 2009 18:22:43 GMT Vaan-Knight said:

Awesome!! the Valtiel and PH ones rule! and the SH4 one reminded me of a weird dream I had once, I think it looks better without color and the no eyes detail adds a touch of melancholy, was it on purpose?
Heather looks great, tired and sick of so much pain and bizarre happenings, the flashlight looks like some sort of small holy halo (coincidence?).
A truly great job, thanks for sharing it (o___<)--b

Thankye muchly vaanknight! ;D
I agree about the colour on the first, i had contemplated it while drawing the pic but when it wasn't even half done i decided that colour would take more than it would give. The facelessness was originally only going to be on Eileen and Henry to kind of illustrate their disposable nature (imo), but then i liked how Little Walt had no face, grown Walt had a partial one, and big fuglyman has one in all its stringy glory. Sort of a progression thang i suppose.

...back to the question without digressing into artsy bollockstalk; It was and was not on purpose.XD

I like what you said about the flashlight halo effect, though i cannot really see it myself it pleases me that you can interpret it as such.^^
I wanted to have her portrayed as more human and vulnerable for a change. I have seen a few pics where she seems a bit scared or upset, but in my view it wasn't quite enough, and by the later parts of the game i figured she would probably have a bit of a breakdown were she given a moment to take in the full scope of what was happening to her. So yeah, she shat houses.

Cheers for the feedback!

[sunset]

WOW!

I didn´t know you were so talented, these are amazing, Pseudo!

I especialy like the Heather piece, a really good representation of her.

Walter and his mom is very well done as well.... aw, screw it! I love them all!! ;D

Have you ever thought of going digital and coloring via Photoshop?

[Pseudosapien]

Feb 26, 2009 14:58:02 GMT sunset said:

WOW!

I didn´t know you were so talented, these are amazing, Pseudo!

I especialy like the Heather piece, a really good representation of her.

Walter and his mom is very well done as well.... aw, screw it! I love them all!! ;D

Have you ever thought of going digital and coloring via Photoshop?

Danke muchly! That is rather encouraging coming from one of the most established funkytastic artists here i must say.

I have indeed thought of digimediumumumz, though i confess i have always kind of avoided it as it has never really struck me as being half the fun or satisfaction of "real" colouring. Plus i have yet to see a colour job done that way that i can look at and see as anything but digital art, and i do so love work that looks like it has had the up close and personal touch of brush or pen. Bah, maybe i am just too old fashioned eh.
Though KAOz has been easing me into using photoshop lately, in teensey baby steps of course.XP (someone knows how stubborn and shitty a student i can be. ) So in time you may see some touched up pics, but i dunno if i'd ever do full-colouring that way just yet.

[AlexY]

That PH pic needs a continuation.

CAGE RAPE I SAY, CAGE RAPE!

[Lolli]

Fickin awesome! If eyes could have orgasms mine would be doing so right now. I like what you did with fugly stringy Walter

[Pseudosapien]

@ AlexY-....That is something i would prefer not to have hollered at me, be it in regard to teh artz or not..o__O So no. Thooough PH does have a bit of suggestive tonguey action going on in that pic, but it didn't show up much in the photo.XP

Lolli- Thankye very mooch indeed!
...Your sig quote makes me feel sicky btw..XD

[alx]

You really should try and work digitally- Don't try and make 'art' at first, only see what type of results you can get, then decide if you want to continue from a position of knowledge

Multiple levels of undo are the best thing that has happened to artists since binocular vision and the opposable thumb. Nothing empowers your art like knowing any mistake is only a keystroke away from never having happened

Working in layers is hard to wrap your head around at first but once you get used to it, you'll wonder how you ever lived without them...

Digital art means you can have as many versions as you'd like, so experimentation was never easier. Tweak your copies darker or warmer or drop the saturation until you get the optimal color balance, then delete the ones you don't like

Finally, working on a computer doesn't mean your work will look digital... Have you seen Meltphace's stuff? If Photoshop looks too clean, use Painter. Anyway, I hope you'll try it and see

[Pseudosapien]

Feb 28, 2009 5:43:51 GMT alx said:

You really should try and work digitally- Don't try and make 'art' at first, only see what type of results you can get, then decide if you want to continue from a position of knowledge

Multiple levels of undo are the best thing that has happened to artists since binocular vision and the opposable thumb. Nothing empowers your art like knowing any mistake is only a keystroke away from never having happened

Working in layers is hard to wrap your head around at first but once you get used to it, you'll wonder how you ever lived without them...

Digital art means you can have as many versions as you'd like, so experimentation was never easier. Tweak your copies darker or warmer or drop the saturation until you get the optimal color balance, then delete the ones you don't like

Finally, working on a computer doesn't mean your work will look digital... Have you seen Meltphace's stuff? If Photoshop looks too clean, use Painter. Anyway, I hope you'll try it and see

Yes, i know that a great many tweaked or fully digital works are amazing and i do get pleasure in seeing what people can achieve, i actually love the stuff that Melty produces and have seen some brush effects used that are fairly damn good and try to honour the real deal. I do still find that it never looks real enough though, and by real i do not mean like photorealistic, but like a tangable thing that can be viewed beyond a screen, or like it has even had a hand near it in its existance. It's sort of like a question of mortality i suppose in a way, if it is not on a real world medium and cannot be at risk of smudging and the like, then it gains a dullness in my mind. Like how if one was to meet an immortal human who had and would last for centuries, they would probably be an exceedingly dull individual at base.

BUT, i cannot agree that the ability to undo and suchlike are at all empowering to art. To the artist perhaps as it means less diligence and sweat is required, but to me it has always meant that one needn't put as much of oneself into the effort and the work never shines out with as much true accomplishment to me. I am certain that it is indeed hard work still, but to be able to simply click a button and undo any of what i have done is something i find hard to bear, as it is partly the care i put into my work and into not making mistakes (and in rectifying any that i do make even) that makes me enjoy the process and final result.

If i want to try something particularly risky, then i would much prefer to scan and print copies of the picture, work out my ideas on them, and then continue on the original with what i decide worked for me on one of the scans.

As stated before, i am starting to learn and try out stuff, but i do not currently like the idea of ever doing more than touching up pictures that i have "truly" created, or adding backgrounds that i am unable to achieve just yet.
Thanks for the opinions though, i do like to hear what other people think on this subject, as i know my views are often seen as fairly uptight and old fashioned.XP And who knows, i may in future eat my words.


What do you actually think of the pics here then btw? ;P

[The Crimson One]

Dang. Nice damn doodles! I especially love the first one (B&W) reminds me of a graphic novel.

[alx]

I was reccomending you go digital cos I like your work and thought it could be even stronger if you colored digitally... And I could've sworn that I told you so but I can't find that anywhere in my post

Well, it was an IMPLIED compliment then

You're one of those 'suffering builds character' folks? You'd get along great with my father ;D

If DaVinci were alive today, he'd be doing all his art on a computer. Believe it. He'd probably be designing video cards, too. But if you want to do things the old fashioned way, nothing wrong with that...

[Kiryū Kazuma]

pics are spot on i like it

[Pseudosapien]

@the Crimson One and kumiko, thank ye both muchly for the compliments! And very nice of you to say so Crimson, i have been working on a little graphic novel project for a while now and it is in a style sort of like that but a tad more "realistic", so that is very encouraging to hear.

alx- Thankies man, i did figure that you would only say as much of you thought that it was good stuff or that it at least had decent potential.
I wouldn't say i am the "suffering builds character" type as such, more that i just like to see that there is effort and passion of some kind put into creative works and to me that is all too often lacking in digital media.

Mar 25, 2009 23:13:17 GMT alx said:

If DaVinci were alive today, he'd be doing all his art on a computer. Believe it. He'd probably be designing video cards, too. But if you want to do things the old fashioned way, nothing wrong with that...

I wonder if that would have encouraged him to actually finish his stuff now and then..
But yes, so far i must say i enjoy getting my hands dirty far more than i enjoy sitting at a screen all night getting a stiff wrist.

[alx]

@pseudo: I'm going to drop it after this but let me leave it by saying that the hands-on approach only gets you so far... If you want to build a vast bridge or large program, then learn to deligate. You can't run this board by yourself, right?

I'm speaking from experience- I tried to write a fairly simple game alone and it was way too much for one set of hands. But if you know how to farm work out then you can husband your strength and use it effectively

When it comes to art, I think we can actually apply "The ends justify the means" where exploitation is not involved. You can get excellent results with a fraction of the effort. Hell, if Wayne Douglas Barlowe thinks the digital medium has come of age then who can argue?

But if you prefer to do things the hard way, there is nothing wrong with it- All I am saying is that doing it digitally is equally valid. Not lesser, not a cheat but every bit as good when the quality is there. Let the results speak for themselves

Regarding DaVinci- If the man worked digitally then we would have dozens of versions of the Mona Lisa, including the original which is forever lost. Think upon that, and be dismayed