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May 2, 2010 6:01:06 GMT
Post by Redemption on May 2, 2010 6:01:06 GMT
I'd still be posting, but i think half the posts in this thread are my own. Apparently lost has had quite a few people give up on it this season. the 'Flash-Sideways' seem to have been the last straw for them. And damn them not having a new episode this week. frustrating.
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May 10, 2010 7:05:20 GMT
Post by SilentHero on May 10, 2010 7:05:20 GMT
I'd still be posting, but i think half the posts in this thread are my own. Apparently lost has had quite a few people give up on it this season. the 'Flash-Sideways' seem to have been the last straw for them. And damn them not having a new episode this week. frustrating. I don't but that, pac-white. I just think people are a little too busy to post or are waiting for the whole show to wrap before discussing fully about it. I also think the term Flash-Sideways is a little off, since in essence they are still flashbacks, just set in an alternate timeline where Jacob never entered the lives of the Passengers or where the disappearance of the island altered their destiny (like in Desmond's case). But interestingly enough, they do continue to bump into each other, so perhaps Jacob still lingers somewhere now off the island, taking his and Black Shirt's game to a grander stage. BTW, I think the latest episode, "The Candidate" is easily one of the best in the entire series. It was really wrenching to watch Sun and Jin drown in the sub, although I'm positive that Jin will turn out to be alive and ready for revenge. Also a nice twist with the realization that Black Shirt actually needed to have all of the candidates killed in order to leave the island, instead of the perceived idea that all he needed was Jacob's replacement to leave with him together. Also, Jack pushing Black Shirt in the water was great to see, especially seeing Jack reminding him that John Locke believed in staying on the island and that Jack is ready to honor that. Made the Locke fan in me grin wide on that. But going back a bit... About the alternate flashbacks... What do you think Desmond was trying to accomplish in running over alternate Locke? I thought it was pretty cool that Desmond was now able to enter this new time stream and help the others find their constants and unlock the memories of their alternate selves. What this has to do with the greater plan of the story will probably not be too clear until the Finale. The next episode seems (from the ads I've seen) to be another prequel story featuring Black Shirt and Jacob, but focusing more directly on them and the "game" they are playing, perhaps even their origins. Can't wait to see how right this turns out to be.
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May 10, 2010 9:49:14 GMT
Post by Redemption on May 10, 2010 9:49:14 GMT
I've only been using the Flash-Sideways recently because it seems to be the most commonly used fraise for it. I proffer just saying 'alt-Timeline' I really don't know what to make of Desmond's actions in the other Timeline. While i'd say his more aware of both 'sides' then the other characters, i don't think he's completely aware. In fact, i'm more inclined to think he's had another 'flash' like he did in season 3.
As for 'The Candidate', that was some pretty emotional stuff. I was fighting back tears and Jin and Sun Drowned together, and i just couldn't hold back anymore when there hands parted towards the end.
I wasn't completely surprised by 'Locke's' plan. Him needing everyone to leave with him never sounded right. It was a nice twist still. And i did cheer a little when Kate got shot. Just sad that she didn't die in the sub.
I'll just edit this for the latest Episode 'Across the Sea' I suppose this has been an episode made to answer questions. Adam and Eve, Revealed, the Black and White Stone, Revealed, Smokies Origin, Revealed. I think it would have been better placed a week or two ago. I'm already seeing the episode get some crap in other places for its 'quick fix revelations' but its also because for them it raises as many questions as it does answers. We don't really know about the islands origins, just Jacobs. The Island has had protectors for generations. Before Jacob, and Before sis 'mother'.
Though, i suppose it leave's me wondering where Jacobs Ideology comes from. His Family both though Man was inherently evil. He's had little to no other interaction with people from what we've known. So where does his faith come from?
Oh, and this little Skit HAS to be posted. Funny Shit. spoilers from the most recent ep though.
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May 21, 2010 2:08:55 GMT
Post by SilentHero on May 21, 2010 2:08:55 GMT
Well, the last two episodes of LOST were really enlightening in a way, with "Across the Sea" Revealing that Jacob and his brother were born on the Island from a woman who was brought there with others on a shipwreck, only to meet a mysterious midwife that appears from nowhere and helps to give birth to her children, before murdering her. I have heard a lot of people speculating about where this midwife came from and my best bet is she was a representation of the Island. It needed the children because they must have had special properties that it was looking for or just people young enough, innocent enough to agree to the task of watching after the island after it had left. It feels hollow, I know, but that's all I got for now. Love seeing the relationship between Mother Earth, as I call her, Black Shirt, and Jacob as they grew up, especially Blackie's hatred of the people he decided to join with in the village, The Orginal Others. We also found out the they, under the instruction of Black Shirt built the Time Wheel Well, that Ben and Locke used, as well as other possible ones on the island. Perhaps the biggest controversy I've been hearing is about the big conflict between Jacob and Black Shirt at the end. Apparently "mom" had put some kind of protection over them so they couldn't hurt each other, but in the end, Jacob mercilessly beats Blackie for killing their foster mother and drags him to the stream with the glowing light in a cave, apparently the source of all life on not just the island, but the world as well. When he gets him there, he punches his brother who falls face first into the stream and seems to have been knocked unconscious as he quickly pulled into the light and reemerges as the Smoke Monster, leaving his actual body dead in a tree. Some say that if the protection was real, how could Jacob have killed his brother? If they assume he died when he was dropped in the stream, I've already stated, it was more likely he was just knocked unconcious, in which case he was still alive before being pulled into the light, which wasn't Jacob's real doing, although it might have been his intention, in a way it's a type of loophole in my opinion. But the truth might lie in the fact that in the end, Blackie isn't dead, but rather in a different form as the Smoke Monster. *SIGH* That was a lot. So what do you think on it, Lost fans? As for the very last episode before the series finale, "What They Died For": We found out a number things, the first most important was Desmond's intentions in the alternate timeline. Apparently he was trying to kill Locke, but get him to meet Jack again and put him in a situation to persuade him to get the surgery to walk again. Also Desmond seems to be collecting a number of the other Castaways, apparently getting ready to perhaps go for the Island. Can't wait to see how this plays out in the finale. Also in this time line, we see a possible relationship forming between Ben and Rousseau, I would like that in at least timeline, these three characters can get along well.
Meanwhile, in the real time, Ben is being a dick again, giving up Widmore to Smokey, killing him, but not before finding out that Desmond is actually some kind of weapon of last resort which could possibly destroy the entire Island. We'll have to watch to see what this means or if Widmore was even telling the truth, which I doubt. If anything it would actually save the island.
And finally, we get the big reveal that Jack will be the new Jacob, although it isn't really that big of a shocker, should have been Hurly IMO. My question now is, if Jack is the new protector of the Island, does that mean the Island no longer has any need for the other Candidates? Will they all be easy pickings for Smokey or will Jack pull out some Island hoodoo and protect them like "Mother" placed protection on Jacob and Man in Black?
I want to see some white smoke summoning or lightning or some cool stuff like that in this last fight. Cheesy, but it would be so AWESOMEEEEEEEEE!!! XD lol[/spolier]
Can't wait to see how it all turns out and if it involves and silly out of the blue twists, I will be sorely PO'ed. >_<
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May 21, 2010 13:29:19 GMT
Post by Redemption on May 21, 2010 13:29:19 GMT
I don't know why but i'm starting to think (in regard to the Across the sea) What if the light in side the island was more then one thing. Maybe the ying and the yang. Going back to the black and White theme. Brother Black goes in and releases the greed/selfish desires/evil of the island and inturn part of him rubs off the smoke.
I don't think 'brother' actually died untill he hit the light in the cave, or maybe landed in the tree after that big fall.
As far as 'Across the sea' goes. Jake was always going to be the new protector, i've been saying that basicly since Jacob died and we knew for sure who 'locke' was. I know its predictable, but this is the way were going to get the final confrontation between 'Locke' and 'Jake' that we've been promised. Ben i'm not so sure about. I don't know who's side he's on. He's 'with' not-locke for the moment, but i suspect there's more to his current turn then his letting on. I suspect Richard would have done something similar if he hadn't been Psycho-crushered by the smoke.
The most intersting thing was seeing Desmond move's around the other timeline. He's getting the pieces into play, and he seems to have planned his moves well in advance of making them. His really being played like a very different character to who we normally see. He normaly has a sort of wild uncertanty, but here he moves with purpose and knowledge. His getting John on the table, his putting Kate at the Concert, and i've got no idea where he's putting Hugo and Sayid.
Sunday/Monday can not come soon enought. Live together, Die Alone.
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May 25, 2010 5:56:31 GMT
Post by Redemption on May 25, 2010 5:56:31 GMT
Just finished watching the final, and i've been reading some comments from forums and talkback to articles I'm suprised how many people seem to be miss-understanding the ending, or at the very least claiming they 'guessed it 5 years ago'. Yes an element of the final was the whole purgatory/afterlife idea, but that was to a element of the story that was only introduced this year. None of the main characters died from the plain.
Not surprising though it how some people are disappointed with it. I'm seeing some people that are just raging about it, and calling sloppy writing on the series. In my mind, there wasn't really anything in needed an explanation to that wasn't in the final. Then again, i'm not super die-hard fan. I enjoyed the character base final. I loved seeing everyone 'wake up' in the 'other timeline'. It worked for me. and i can't ask for anything more.
Now the big question for me is, do i just by the season 6 dvd, or do i buy that neat looking complete series set?
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May 25, 2010 7:07:32 GMT
Post by SilentHero on May 25, 2010 7:07:32 GMT
I've noticed that too, pac-white. There are so many many people online posting this theory that everyone has been dead since the crash, and that's just not the case. People do seem the most upset with the flash sideways, claiming it to be a lackluster ending when in fact it's not really the ending of the series as it is more of an epilogue of the show, a kind of after note to the events of Jack's death and a reunion of the players.
Some have even complained of the lack of other characters joining in the church at the end, most noticeably, Michael and Walt, Echo and Anna Lucia. But Anna-Lucia's absence is easily explained when Desmond told Hurly that she wasn't ready yet, meaning she wasn't ready to except her death and move on, this could also be true for Michael, Walt, and Echo, although I'd like to believe that Echo moved on immediately after his death, being the man of faith he grew to be. Another possibility is that Michael is still a ghost on the island and always will be.
But this complaining about not seeing everyone come back is silly since not everyone really had deep connections with one another except for the ones we saw. I would have found it absurd if I had seen Leslie Arzt in the crowd, all smiles and hugging everyone, or that guy who was shot with flaming arrows after only a minute of screen time.
I loved the fact that the cork wasn't so much a metaphor as an actual stone cork that seemed to be the only thing that, IMO, kept the evil forces (hell?) from escaping and possibly destroying the world along with the island. Or it could have just been some idol that was able to produce the magic that solely existed on the island and that was it, but I like my first idea best.
That's the best thing about the finale is that not all the answers were given and you are allowed to fill in the blanks how you see fit. I can't see how so many can be so frustrated by this, but I'm a Silent Hill fan so I'm used to filling in the blanks to a lot of mysteries, I guess. No complaints about either though. LOL
In the end, I loved it and am not ashamed to say I cried three times during the finale, each time was during an awakening: Sun's ultrasound, Sayid reuniting with Shannon (which was really glad to see they remembered), and Claire giving birth to Arron and all the awakenings that surrounded that.
One of the best finales EVER. Now about the DVD collection, since I don't have any of them yet, I will probably definitely look into getting the complete collection set. But for those who have most of the dvd series, there's only one question I can think of... How much do you want that black rock, white rock game that comes with it?
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May 25, 2010 13:20:17 GMT
Post by Redemption on May 25, 2010 13:20:17 GMT
I think part of the problem is that you've got these people who have watched maybe the first season, or dropped off before the start of this season or last season coming back thinking they'll pick up. There seeing the 'After life' and thinking thats what the flashes have been all along.
Some of the characters not popping up again in the afterlife is fine. You can explain some of them as 'We'll Echo didn't really have that deeper connection to anyone who was at the church', and Walt you could say he was on the island what, 45 day when he was 10? He could have lived a lot since then. Though he could still have been worked into events.
Like i said the first time, I liked the final, it got to me, and i never would have guessed the flash sideways would turn out to be the afterlife.
I'm downloading the Jimmy Kimmel special now, to see if there's anything worth watching in that. I'll probably re watch the final in the next few days too. I didn't realise the Complete Collection came with the Senet game. All i've seen of it is a screen cap that must have been shown during the US broadcast. I'll wait and see if there's a local release of it, and i might well get it (on blu-ray). Otherwise, i suppose the DVD will do.
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May 30, 2010 4:01:43 GMT
Post by dreggnog on May 30, 2010 4:01:43 GMT
Spoilers obviously.
I saw the finale of Lost without having seen the rest of seasons 5 and 6 except for a couple of moments (including Locke's death). My opinion:
Cork in the islind = bad Jack vs. Locke = okay Flash-sideways afterlife = good
Main reason I posted is because someone on IGN commented that the Widmore story was dropped in season 6. I think that's terrible, having just re-watched season 4. What I saw building up was that the main characters were the good guys, Ben was a good guy who sometimes went to extreme measures to achieve his goals, and Widmore was the all-balls-out bad guy. I liked that. I thought it had great balance and was something that could last two seasons and have good events built around it as well as character development and emotion. I dunno why everything was changed. Then again I haven't seen most of the last 2 seasons yet.
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May 30, 2010 7:58:58 GMT
Post by Redemption on May 30, 2010 7:58:58 GMT
Widmore is a bit of a sticky situation.
I don't think his character was every played out entirely like a Villain, just in shades of grey. He was a Ass to Desmond, and he hired the freighter team as a means to A) Get back to the island, and B) Get back at Ben for getting him Exiled off the island. Some of the things he did (like covering up the 815 crash) was to protect the secret of the island and to stop too many people searching for them. I think in season 5 they show him out to be just like the rest of the characters, not good or evil, just flawed. Though i admit, the way his character was handled in season 6 was a bit shit. He comes back to the island, around in the background in most of his episodes, only to be shot by Ben. Nothing against him dying, but i think he had all of 10 minutes screen time in the 4 episodes he was on the island in. Then again, I'd like to see all the episode on the Season 6 dvd with an extra 5-10 minutes to them just filling in events a little better.
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