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Post by roki on Mar 8, 2009 10:31:09 GMT
This may contain major spoilers (also in SH2).
During the cutscene in the car with Heather and Douglas, Douglas mentions that he had visited Silent Hill before, on a lost man's case, and that he never managed to find the guy. Now, if I am not mistaken, in SH4, Frank Sunderland mentions that his son (therefore James, from SH2), disappeared near Silent Hill. Also, most of the endings in SH2 indicate that James did not leave Silent Hill. So, could Douglas be talking about James during the driving cutscene?
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Post by Lolli on Mar 8, 2009 17:18:00 GMT
You know I never thought of that before. I suppose it is plausible but with any theory direct proof is needed. Still, it's a good point and I think you're probably onto something.
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Post by maryandjames on Mar 8, 2009 23:29:15 GMT
Yes it is quite possible but just not enough evidence to say a definite yes or definite no.
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Post by AlexY on Mar 9, 2009 10:00:30 GMT
It's definitely possible, but there is no hard proof. I wouldn't be surprised though.
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Post by Tabris on Mar 9, 2009 18:42:50 GMT
Way back when SH3 came out, this was discussed to an extent. I'm pretty sure the overall conclusion is the exact same as it is here.
Probable, but there's no actual evidence for it. I for one, just assume that's the case.
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Post by Vio on Mar 9, 2009 20:35:12 GMT
Without evidence, it shall be inconclusive.
Also, considering that there isn't a Canon ending for SH2 (yes, I believe that Leave, In Water, Maria, (and even) Rebirth is possible, picking one is only a matter personal preference.).
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Now just for fun, let's say that Douglas is refering to James, just as James's father refered to James in SH4; both accounts say that James is missing. But it doesn't give any more information; not enough to eliminate an ending:
Leave: James kills Mary, adopts Laura, doesn't return home but to somewhere new, continues to be "missing.". Maria: James kills Mary, stays in Otherworld. In Water: James kills Mary, then himself. Rebirth: James kills Mary, then "raises" her from the dead, doesn't return home but to somewhere new, continues to be "missing."
In each of these scenarios, Douglas and James's father are left to assume that James is either dead or missing.
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Post by lemex on Mar 13, 2009 19:24:48 GMT
In these situations one must consult Occam's Razer.
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Post by patient on Mar 15, 2010 23:06:25 GMT
He could have been looking for anyone, but as the case of him searching for James seems to be most interesting, I think it's best to stick to that theory. One reason I enjoy Silent Hill so much is because, sometimes, I can pick whichever theory interests me the most and it keeps me happy.
Nothing conflicts to the possibility that he was looking for James, but nothing really contributes either.
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Post by Tabris on Mar 18, 2010 16:39:43 GMT
He could've ended up like Rose in the movie. Just stuck in the fog, possibly with or without his beloved. Just stuck in their special place with nowhere to go.
Which would be why Douglas never found him.
Sometimes I think Laura may be an apparition of Mary when she was younger as well. Another 'topic' though.
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Post by blacky on Mar 18, 2010 20:38:30 GMT
Well considering the number of people that must disappear in Silent hill on an regular basis I don't think we have enougth evidence to pin this guy as James. I mean there had to be others, otherwise it would be werid that Silent hill is only selecting a few people with darkness in their hearts out of the hundreds of screwed up people around the world.
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Post by dreggnog on Mar 19, 2010 11:13:17 GMT
I've thought about this and it is quite probable that they were making a reference to Silent Hill 2 just to give some slight connection to the game. It wouldn't be the only reference to it in SH3, although it would be one of the ones more worth taking seriously.
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Post by Vaan-Knight on Mar 19, 2010 22:30:51 GMT
I've always thought the info on the guy was too vague to be considered a reference. UNTIL SH4 came out, and the super commented on his lost son. So yeah, we're still in the "might as well, but will never know for sure" stage.
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Post by Tabris on Mar 20, 2010 15:57:52 GMT
I agree completely on how vague it is. It was obviously put into the game to make is THINK that but have no real conclusive evidence.
Even with SH4, it's not really conclusive.
Honestly, I just happily conclude the in water ending is canon. Just feels right to me.
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Post by mr. worncoat on Dec 11, 2010 9:44:14 GMT
Without evidence, it shall be inconclusive. Also, considering that there isn't a Canon ending for SH2 (yes, I believe that Leave, In Water, Maria, (and even) Rebirth is possible, picking one is only a matter personal preference.). ________ Now just for fun, let's say that Douglas is refering to James, just as James's father refered to James in SH4; both accounts say that James is missing. But it doesn't give any more information; not enough to eliminate an ending: Leave: James kills Mary, adopts Laura, doesn't return home but to somewhere new, continues to be "missing.". Maria: James kills Mary, stays in Otherworld. In Water: James kills Mary, then himself. Rebirth: James kills Mary, then "raises" her from the dead, doesn't return home but to somewhere new, continues to be "missing." In each of these scenarios, Douglas and James's father are left to assume that James is either dead or missing. In these situations one must consult Occam's Razer. Should Douglas' missing person's case be concerning James, and we want the most logical explanation, pardon me if I see logic falling to either the Leave or In Water ending. I say this only because, after awhile, James seems to pull himself out from listlessness and into an annoyed determinism to wrap this all up. It'd be odd for him to turn around at the end of it to fall back onto the crutches he seems to forsake when he takes on the Pyramid Heads. To what level that grab for closure reflects back onto the disgust for himself is why offing himself is about as likely as trying to find penance in raising that annoying little brat. Of course, that's assuming that he's not too far engrained in his own hell, or that the town wouldn't keep him just as easily, and the whole time he was a beastie, anyway. He could've ended up like Rose in the movie. Just stuck in the fog, possibly with or without his beloved. Just stuck in their special place with nowhere to go. Which would be why Douglas never found him. Sometimes I think Laura may be an apparition of Mary when she was younger as well. Another 'topic' though. Laura being a young Mary is funny as hell, and about as likely as anything else, seeing as the whole romp is nothing but James' guilt out to mock him at every turn. Not to run off topic, but about your reference to the movie: Although I fully expected the movie sequel to have Chris charging in to save Sharon and off Rose, that they could make an escape for what would have been the enstallment after (but is now apparantly the second damned film), there is justification that James would be taken into oblivion. Suicide or by any other means, Silent Hill doesn't even let winners leave (recall Travis and the option of SH:1 being Harry's last hallucinatory minutes of life). Well considering the number of people that must disappear in Silent hill on an regular basis I don't think we have enougth evidence to pin this guy as James. I mean there had to be others, otherwise it would be werid that Silent hill is only selecting a few people with darkness in their hearts out of the hundreds of screwed up people around the world. That right there is sense. An arch is one thing, but an arch where every single character and side-character is interconnected in a region of untold masses would mean there's either one nutty explanation that goes back to some arbituary event, that Silent Hill is just that petty, or that these people are that messed up and everybody else in the area is a saint. Edit: Then again, a quick trip to Silent Hill wiki shows that the people responsible for dishing out the games do have any issue with keeping their characters from knowing each other. SH:4 is shown to have it that Frank, the guy running the apartments, is James' father, that Rachel, the nurse staying in the apartments, is the same who cared for Mary, and that Douglas may very well have been on search for James because of Frank. Oh well?
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Post by Judas on Dec 17, 2010 1:47:50 GMT
A fun future Silent Hill game could be Douglas searching for James.
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