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Post by Vaco Deus on Dec 5, 2009 19:31:45 GMT
Ah, another Silent Hill game. Let the theories and conversations about plot points commence If you're in a general thread please use the spoiler tags. However, if, in the title of the thread, spoilers are indicated like so: Harry Eats A Hoagie *Spoilers* Then no spoiler tags are needed within the thread since the readers were warned. Also don't post spoilers in thread name like so: Harry's Dead! LOLzz11!!11!!1!! Don't be an ass, alright? Take it easy, Mike
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Post by Tabris on Mar 27, 2010 18:34:26 GMT
Okay, this game's been out too long for there not to be any theories or dissection of the games storyline etc. Seriously guys! This is so abnormal for us Silent Hill fans. Normally people are tearing the game apart months before it even came out! So c'mon, spill your endings, theories, get going! So, *spoilers like fuck* My first ending he didn't turn to ice when he met Cheryl. I'm not sure what this means. Did his love for Cheryl go beyond death and he was reliving through some sort of self purgatory? Then his love was strong enough to bring him back?
Or was it purely symbolic? Cause in other endings he finds Cheryl and then freezes away. Some sort of karma based on whether or not Harry was a douchebag? hah
Then it showed Dahlia slapping him around making fun of his writing. Asking him if he thought he was Shakespeare or something. Then he just smiled at Cheryl while on the ground kind've like a beaten dog.
Sad as hell.
I thought it was pretty surprising that Cheryl killed that security guard too.
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Post by Vaan-Knight on Mar 27, 2010 23:22:01 GMT
OK, here's my analisis. I'm pretty sure I've seen all the endings (if someone knows of another one, I'll be pleased to read). SPOILERS AHOY, be very careful, although if you've finished it at least once, there are not many more surprises. They come in two parts, the revelation with Kauffmann and the videotape. I've seen three different outcomes for each "revelation", and four different "tapes". The ending Tabris mentioned: The "revelation" you refer to, where Harry does not freeze, I got it when I drowned in the car with Dahlia and screwed up all of the doctor's tests, I just made a speedrun to the end without getting mementos or chatting much with ppl.
I suppose that tells the game you're absolutely not interested in healing and understanding how all came to happen, Cheryl grew up with an overly idealized memory of her dad, and so she will never let go off the idea of Harry being fully focused on her. Her memories will never freeze, thus never ending his existence in her mind.
The "tape", where Dahlia humilliates Harry in front of Cheryl, I think (not sure) it comes if you're WAY too friendly, he does as he's told with no complains. Being nothing but a puppet to anyone, he's afraid of risking getting hurt by ppl. Here, Harry is too much of a weakling to be a real role model for Cheryl, but she adores him for overly paying attention to her. So: Harry has been dead for 18 years... If i'm not mistaken, what we've been doing through the game is living Cheryl's fantasy of how his very much needed dad was, according to her. Like Kauffmann said, by losing Harry at the age of 7, how could she have had a true image of her father in her mind? My favourite ending, and the one I suppose that makes more sense with the whole plot: The first ending pair I ever got, by paying attention to my surroundings, letting friendship grow with the ppl I met, and avoiding being distracted by sexual and alcoholic references (not all of them, I'm not made of stone and Cybil's cleavage is not to be ignored.) and being qualified as a family man by the Doctor, was:
Revelation: Cheryl realizes everything is in her head, her dad died, and although it hurts like hell to let him go, she knows it's time to start living her own life. Harry freezes (rests at last?), but lets Cheryl know his memory will live within her from now on.
Videotape: Harry is preparing to leave the house, he and Dahlia understand they don't have much left to live together, but they can be civil about it. Harry asks little Cheryl not to tape the scene. This is where Cheryl starts to blame Dahlia for everything that happened to her "happy" family.
The coldest (no pun intended) of all three revelation endings, and the very specific ones: If you're frequently distracted by sexy references, or you demonstrate to be only interested in booze, barely paying attention ot your goals but rather enjoying the ride:
revelation: (This one is a little foggy in me mind) Cheryl holds no grudge against her father, but neither she feels much about him anymore... Harry limitates to apologize and accept he never was much of a father and freezes...
Not too hard to analize, you don't pay attention to your ultimate goal (finding Cheryl), so for the game you're a suckish father.
Tape 1 (sexual): Due to the presence of Lisa and Michelle I even tend to think this is another joke ending (if so, what a terrible sense of humor...) You always were too focused in sex to be paying attention to your family.
Tape 2 (alcohol): This one seems more serious. Harry drinks too much and Cheryl is practically non-existant to him whenever he's not telling her his crap. Maybe Dahlia changed her way of thinking after getting married, but Harry just kept being the same lowlife, and thus their life ended up as the mess we see.
The Alien ending ruled! For that one I had to replay like 5 times bcuz I couldn't find one of the damn UFO's (at the docks after the amusement park), the rest are pretty easy to find (at least they were after the 5 fking replays). There's no analisis for this either, it's obviously just for fun, but I've got to say, James never looked so good ;] Phew... *goes to put his fingers on ice* EDIT: just an evil typo
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Post by katran on Apr 20, 2010 23:27:18 GMT
So here's my big question: how does this game fit into the SH canon? Because it really seems to pretty much invalidate the events of the first and third games.
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Post by Cenobite, that cute pariah on Apr 21, 2010 0:00:59 GMT
So here's my big question: how does this game fit into the SH canon? Because it really seems to pretty much invalidate the events of the first and third games. It doesn't.
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Post by blacky on Apr 21, 2010 1:48:22 GMT
Yeah, it doesn't. the only thing connecting this game with the others is a town called Silent hill manivestating the fears and delusions of an person. Only it's just different interpretation of that idea.
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Post by katran on Apr 21, 2010 23:39:55 GMT
Ah, so it's more of a "What if...?" scenario?
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Post by AlexY on Apr 22, 2010 8:36:51 GMT
Ah, so it's more of a "What if...?" scenario? Sort of. The names and places are (mostly) the same, but everything is...different. I see it not only as a re-imagining of the original, but as a deeper look at the core Silent Hill mechanic as well - both in a metagame and ingame aspect. Just play it Katran, it really is awesome! Give it another chance. Pweez. :3
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Post by Tabris on Apr 22, 2010 15:26:40 GMT
Yea, it's very literally a retake on SH1. If you pay attention it follows the original quite closely but at the same time it's 200% different.
Personally, this is my favorite SH game to come out since SH2.
However, don't let that up your expectations. Just play it yourself.
It's also a really good idea to beat it a few times, trying new things out. It's surprising what can change.
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Post by katran on Apr 22, 2010 16:32:17 GMT
I will probably try it again over the summer. I'm usually willing to give most things a second chance. It took me three tries to get into the first Harry Potter book (and then I couldn't put any of them down)!
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Post by Lolli on May 31, 2010 16:27:40 GMT
The first ending I got was the best ending Where Harry was a loving father and Cheryl is unwilling to let him go. When she finally accepts it Harry freezes. I also got the videotape where Harry is preparing to leave and tells Cheryl not to film it. I was under the impression that perhaps at the end where Harry comes into the room he was a kind of ghost figure there to tell Cheryl she can finally stop worrying about all of this because even though he's gone he will live on in her memory and her heart.
I played the goody two-shoes card so most of the scenes and messages I got where revolving around Harry and Cheryl spending time together, and some of them, such as the sleeping bag in the woods, around remorse and guilt. Harry was seen as a hero to keep Lisa safe, a father figure and a genuinly friendly guy. There was little focus on smut or alcohol and I got punk Dahlia, she was still a bit of a bitch but probably the nicest of the lot.
EDIT: So I played through it again and got the sleazy ending. Wow, Harry is an arsehole.
And might I add that the Drunken Dad ending was F-ing hilarious. Never have I laughed so much at watching a drunken man falling over whilst attempting to dance.
The only thing that I don't understand is Harry sleeping with Michelle and Lisa. If Cheryl was a year above Michelle then how could Harry have possibly slept with her, wouldn't Michelle be younger than Cheryl? If he died when she was seven then Michelle would be around six.
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Post by Boris Stoke on Oct 24, 2010 14:12:45 GMT
I disagree that this game doesn't fit into the canon at all. I just think it's a sort of split path from the first game, a continuation of the worst ending you can get rather than the ending that leads into Silent Hill 3. That is, the ending in which Harry dies in the car accident and Silent Hill 1 never actually happens. Then in this game, through therapy, Cheryl (all grown up) realizes that it never happened and that it was all a false memory she created from missing her father.
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Post by katran on Oct 24, 2010 23:23:07 GMT
That is, the ending in which Harry dies in the car accident and Silent Hill 1 never actually happens. Then in this game, through therapy, Cheryl (all grown up) realizes that it never happened and that it was all a false memory she created from missing her father. So basically for that ending to be true the third game has to have never happened.
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Post by blacky on Oct 25, 2010 0:28:49 GMT
I disagree that this game doesn't fit into the canon at all. I just think it's a sort of split path from the first game, a continuation of the worst ending you can get rather than the ending that leads into Silent Hill 3. That is, the ending in which Harry dies in the car accident and Silent Hill 1 never actually happens. Then in this game, through therapy, Cheryl (all grown up) realizes that it never happened and that it was all a false memory she created from missing her father. Then why does Cheryl comes from two different towns in both games? In SH1 she never been to Silent hill before, in Shattered memories it's implied that she was at least living there aged Seven as that is when Harry had his crash Also, did you care to look at Seven year old Cheryl in both games? They might as well be two completely different girls because they don't look alike at all. Different clothes, different hair type and color, different eyes, different skull shape. We know Shattered Memories seven year old is real (she is filmed on camera) so in order for this to make sense Harry from SH1 had a dream in which he chased a girl that didn't remotely looked like his own daughter. Abit of a strech isn't it? It's obvious that both Cheryls are not related to each other and therefore shattered Memories isn't in canon with SH1
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Post by katran on Oct 25, 2010 0:33:05 GMT
I personally think it's a side trip and I really can't justify it with the canon. If the whole thing was in Cheryl's head, then all the other games (except possibly SH2) are wiped out. There's no cult, no Harry changing Cheryl's name to Heather and going on the run with her, no Travis meeting Alessa before her split, etc. The whole SH mythos is null and void if Shattered Memories is accepted as canon, in which case SM becomes the ONLY canon. I can't buy that.
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