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Post by patient on Mar 14, 2010 21:15:53 GMT
A question that has never been fully answered. At the end of Silent Hill 3, after Heather kicks the god's head in, she turns around slowly as if she sees something. Note that the sound gets cut here. No sound, and you can't see. It's not just what she sees, but what does she hear? In the video "Making of Silent Hill 3", notice how there's a baby cry. This leads me to believe that when the god is born, they already carry another baby within their womb. What do you guys think?Here's the video of the making of. In the beginning, there is baby crying. But skip to 24:50 to hear it again. ( This question is also addressed here in the Translated Memories.)
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Post by Tabris on Mar 15, 2010 16:53:53 GMT
Holy shit interesting find. Also nice to see some discussion about SH games for once~
Maybe that's why there's a cycle. Kinda like an eternal phoenix but a creepy ass god instead.
Since there's two rituals to birth god (Walter doing the other in SH4), then this one would be rather perpetual.
Maybe she killed the baby to end the cycle? Or just left it there.
Especially since Homecoming confirms Douglas didn't die, so the possessed ending isn't the canon one.
Whooo knows
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Post by patient on Mar 15, 2010 23:01:36 GMT
Hey, thanks. Yes, that would explain the cycle. The baby lies dormant inside until some sort of ritual is carried out. Yeah, I don't think she could have just left it there. Heather, knowing what it is, would have killed it--or at least I hope so.
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Post by blacky on Mar 16, 2010 0:43:19 GMT
It's related to what happens to heather in the end, for the next time we see her she's either possessed and has killed Douglas, or she hasn't been possessed at all.
What she sees is the god before it tries to possess her, it's success depends if she letted anger get the better of her (killing alot of enemies and taking alot of damage will get the possessed ending) Though if it took on another form before it did that, who knows?
I always thought that the crying on the making of video was a referance to Heather, since she was reborn and rebirth is the theme of Silent hill 3. And at that end there, the baby sound follows after the narrator saying "Everything is relative, including you. Especially when you find out who you really are" the player finds out that they've been playing as the reincarnated baby daughter Harry recieved at the end of SH1, hense the baby sounds.
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Post by maryandjames on Apr 12, 2010 0:17:16 GMT
As much as I love theorizing as some as you know XD I honestly think this was a technical mishap. Rumor has it that Team Silent wanted SH3 to be the last of the series but Konami wanted to continue it.
If you notice SH3 is the ONLY game of the first 3, I haven't played past that yet... that has a defaulted ending the first time through. So with the rumor, the defaulted ending, and the sound cut, it leads me to believe they wanted to give us a canon ending since they at least planned to not continue the series.
The reason the scene maybe still there is they already had that created and rather then redeveloped that scene, they simply cut the sound and being how they are, probably still wanted to leave us a small *what's that mean!* feeling in us with Heather's facial expression but no so much where it will make a strong debate for sequel.
Though I could be wrong and I do like Blacky's idea.
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Post by dreggnog on Apr 12, 2010 8:18:02 GMT
I always thought she was just remembering 'holy sh*t, i need to get back to douglas NOW!'
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Post by AlexY on Apr 12, 2010 10:11:36 GMT
I always figured she sees Harry in the end.
I mean, she slumps to the floor crying to him, and when she manages to get on her feet, it's like she stops, surprised, and turns to see...him. Or his manifestation.
Notice how you can't hear her, or her footsteps, when she tries to leave? The music also picks up volume... I mean, that place is kind of a womb? Creating Life and all? Can't Heather's subconscious get a kick out of it - even without God inside of her, she still has some latent powers.
When she meets up with Douglas, she wants to be named Cheryl. She seems like she said her goodbyes. She got closure...
It may be wishful thinking, but... Cheryl went through lots, I don't want to make it worse for her. :3
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Post by maryandjames on Apr 12, 2010 11:30:39 GMT
Ya Alexy thats what I thought too, that she say Harrys spirit and why she wanted to be named Cheryl but then it was ruined when I found out they cut the baby sound out :[. Perhaps maybe thats what they wanted it to be after cutting the sound and I am jumping to conclusions! :]
It is a valid idea after reading the Translations Book with how they write it that she was crying out for her dad. That's what I believe anyways.
Just to add a Tidbit, the main reason she wanted to be named Cheryl is in one of Harry's notes that she reads, he talks about that he wanted to name the reborn her Cheryl again but couldn't do it since she already had a name Alessa. I wish my PS2 wasn't broken so I could check word for word but if you want to I believe it is the note that she reads on the bed that is a hellish recreation of Harry's bedroom.
*EDIT* Harry's Diary about the Names
I sometimes have the sense even now that, that girl is a reincarnation of Alessa. I don't worry about it much now that's all forgiven. You were unloved Cheryl....... or was it Alessa? Now Cheryl is Alessa again. No matter whose reincarnation she may have been, that girl was my most beloved treasure. But that name was a mistake. At the time I thought her only as a replacement for my lost Cheryl. When she knows the truth, will she feel bad? That's what worries me. ********
It sounds to me that he wanted to name her Cheryl since he wanted a replacement but felt that it wasn't really Cheryl anymore so he deemed the name a mistake thereforth I believe he named her Alessa.
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Post by blacky on Apr 12, 2010 23:44:32 GMT
the Harry thing is intresting but doesn't make alot of sense, unless you are suggesting that in the 'possessed ending' Heather encounters Harry's spirit, which then makes her murder Douglas..........Yeah.....
Remember that what we are talking about happens in Both good and bad endings. This point in the endings are completely identical, Heather starts to walk off, but sense something behind her and turns round. It's the following scenes that vary in the endings.
Therefore reason suggests that what Heather sees is not just the same thing in both endings, but whatever it is also effects the outcome in both endings.
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Post by maryandjames on Apr 13, 2010 1:02:26 GMT
the Harry thing is intresting but doesn't make alot of sense, unless you are suggesting that in the 'possessed ending' Heather encounters Harry's spirit, which then makes her murder Douglas..........Yeah..... Remember that what we are talking about happens in Both good and bad endings. This point in the endings are completely identical, Heather starts to walk off, but sense something behind her and turns round. It's the following scenes that vary in the endings. Therefore reason suggests that what Heather sees is not just the same thing in both endings, but whatever it is also effects the outcome in both endings. Seeing Harry can effect both endings. Remember how enrage Heather was at Douglas blaming him for her father's death? Depending on what Heather does in the game tilts her either way. If she kills as little monsters as possible and ignores trying to play her role in the cofenssion both, she is more at peace. If she kills too many monsters, she starts to be blinded by rage and killing becomes easier and easier along with taking up her role in the confession both. So if she sees her father in the good ending, she is at a sense of peace and forgiveness. If she sees him in the bad ending, she is blinded by rage and hate seeing him in this state and who else to blame for his death? None other then Douglas. Remember when Claudia was trying to make Heather as angry as possible to feed the god? Seeing her dead father tilts the scale, enough so that even though the god is dead, perhaps the remanences of the dead god are enough to to feed it and give it strength to possess her.
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Post by AlexY on Apr 13, 2010 17:44:33 GMT
Seeing Harry can effect both endings. Remember how enrage Heather was at Douglas blaming him for her father's death? Depending on what Heather does in the game tilts her either way. If she kills as little monsters as possible and ignores trying to play her role in the cofenssion both, she is more at peace. If she kills too many monsters, she starts to be blinded by rage and killing becomes easier and easier along with taking up her role in the confession both. So if she sees her father in the good ending, she is at a sense of peace and forgiveness. If she sees him in the bad ending, she is blinded by rage and hate seeing him in this state and who else to blame for his death? None other then Douglas. Remember when Claudia was trying to make Heather as angry as possible to feed the god? Seeing her dead father tilts the scale, enough so that even though the god is dead, perhaps the remanences of the dead god are enough to to feed it and give it strength to possess her. Pretty much what I think too.
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Post by Lolli on Apr 17, 2010 1:46:45 GMT
Up until now I always assumed she was just looking back at the God in an "It's over bitch!" manner but now that I watch the video she clearly spots something. The thing that bothers me is the fact they cut the baby cry, if it was intended to be in the ending I doubt the Harry theory would work properly.
Maybe it was a passing memory of her own childhood both as Alessa and Cheryl and considering she discovered part of Harry despised her and after all the stuff happened she either gets consumed by her memories or allowed to be 'reborn' to a new life.
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Post by maryandjames on Apr 19, 2010 18:13:31 GMT
Up until now I always assumed she was just looking back at the God in an "It's over bitch!" manner but now that I watch the video she clearly spots something. The thing that bothers me is the fact they cut the baby cry, if it was intended to be in the ending I doubt the Harry theory would work properly. Maybe it was a passing memory of her own childhood both as Alessa and Cheryl and considering she discovered part of Harry despised her and after all the stuff happened she either gets consumed by her memories or allowed to be 'reborn' to a new life. That's what I meant by redeveloping the ending could of been why they cut they sound because they may of wanted to actually change it's intention. Also while some of these ideas about why there is a baby crying are interesting, remember that in the SH1 after the god was slain by Harry, there literally was a baby lying there in place of the dead god. Being the god transfered from Heather to Claudia, Claudia was reborn literally as a baby just like Heather was after the god was slain. That is why I think that maybe the cut the sound because they wanted the the series to have a more solid conclusive ending then the others because they planned to make that the last of the series. If it ended with a baby just like SH1, it would end with many unanswered questions more so then now.
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Post by patient on Jun 1, 2010 2:49:12 GMT
Wow, that is a terribly creepy thought.
Great theories, everyone. You have really opened my eyes to new options. I completely believe now that whatever happens involves Heather's memories.
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Post by SHSP on Jun 7, 2010 0:09:48 GMT
I use to think that Konami was intentionally wanting us to search for an answer that wasn't there. I mean, I love looking into things more but I use to feel this was just an add-on with nothing to back it up. But since, you guys have opened my eyes a little bit wider, thanks!
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