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Post by dreggnog on Aug 11, 2009 14:48:21 GMT
I really, really don't like the idea that Alessa can make people see their memories and symbolism of things from the past and also torment them at the same time. That gives her way too much control. She's supposed to be the victim, darn it! I think that it's possible that the powers in the town may have overwhelmed her, or that her own powers may have overwhelmed her, especially in the seven years after Origins. At any rate, I don't think that she made Travis see his past.
BTW, contrats Lolli at reaching 400. Not that many people have gotten to that on this forum.
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Post by lonehusky on Aug 11, 2009 15:06:19 GMT
Alessa needed Travis to help her too. I think she helped guide him through what he would have experienced anyway. Imagine taking the Alessa storyline out. That's what would have happened at any point in the timeline to Travis upon entering (possibly being drawn into) Silent Hill.
Alessa guided him to help her and stop the ceremony. Through it he came to terms with the horrific events of his past. Alessa was not a tool for torment but a guide for Travis in the nightmare he was going to enter. In the end they both gained new life in a way. I'm not sure that clarified anything actually lol.
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Post by Tabris on Aug 11, 2009 17:14:42 GMT
Wasn't Alessa using Travis to get the flauros so she could go beyond the connection of the two worlds through the mirror?
Cause that's pretty much what happened as far as I'm concerned. I think she used Travis' past to create the pieces of the flauros. It even says in a document that Travis is pretty much just wandering around fighting his past and it indirectly talks about the flauros somewhere in the last level I think.
I also think once Alessa affected the world around her and pushed everyone away she became the sad lonely girl in the original Silent Hill. Plus the fury of the god was probably more prominent until she successfully split her soul not long after. That god is a pissy princess so that may explain some of Alessa's more aggressive behavior.
If I were Alessa and that's what happened to me and I had a chance to take revenge and push everyone away like she did in Origins, I sure as hell would have too.
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Post by katran on Aug 13, 2009 2:46:19 GMT
For her attitude to suddenly change from a girl who only wanted to be loved by her mother to a girl who takes pleasure in screwing with Travis' mind, the two games portray her very differently. I never got the impression that she was screwing with Travis's mind or that she took any pleasure in it. I got the impression that she was trying to get him to help her in the only way she knew how. I also don't think she was a tool of punishment at all. I don't think she was forcing Travis to relive his past, I think that was all on his own. I think she was drawn to him and him to her because of their shared childhood experiences, as was already mentioned, but I don't think she was putting those memories in his head. It could be that her power (or the power of the town perhaps) was inadvertently causing him to remember things from his childhood, but I really don't think it was deliberate on her part. Remember, she IS a child, and a very young child at that. Alessa had special powers, but not once in any of the games is it ever hinted at that she was a super brain or more mature than other kids her age. However, I do think Tabris has come up with some very interesting and plausible ideas.
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Post by urielthelesser on Jul 26, 2010 7:03:37 GMT
At a guess, some people just love to have something to complain about. If you REALLY pay attention to anything you'll find flaws to bitch about. I played it, and liked it, though ther were some things about the whole setup (not the game itself, but the timing of its release) that seemed a blatant attempt to cash in on the movie's release.
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Post by dreggnog on Jul 26, 2010 16:04:27 GMT
I certainly never thought of it as a movie cash-in. If anything, Homecoming felt more like that coming out a year later.
When I think of the true character of Alessa, I remember the ghostly scene towards the end of the first game between Alessa and Dahlia that truly displayed Alessa as a victim worth caring about, and anything that doesn't really stay in line with that ticks me off . . . although I did like the memory of alessa thing because that felt strangely personalised to Heather's story.
Anyway, I do like Origins, better than 4 and Homecoming, because of its good level design and for Travis' personal story. They kinda dropped the ball with some of the cult stuff, the FMV towards the end was pretty good.
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Post by katran on Jul 26, 2010 17:08:47 GMT
Yeah, I didn't see it as a movie cash-in either. Considering it came out a year after the movie and the movie didn't do all that well, not to mention the fact that there really aren't all that many similarities between the two other than the same types of things that all the games and the movie have in common (i.e. the town itself, similar monsters, most of the games have some type of tie-in to Alessa or the cult, etc.), I don't think that's what they were going for at all.
I've always seen Alessa as a victim and I can't recall any of the games or films trying to portray her otherwise. Yes, she grew in power and seemed to have more control as time went on, but is that really a surprise? That's just experience on her part. It seemed to me in Origins that she was just lashing out (and reaching out) without necessarily any real control. Or perhaps she was having trouble exercising control because of the physical pain she was in from the fire. I seem to recall it being mentioned that she shouldn't have even survived the fire due to the extent of her burns and it was implied that she only lived because the cult performed some ritual to keep her alive. I can't even imagine that kind of physical pain or the toll it would take on you mentally and emotionally, special telekenetic powers or not. Now imagine going through that as a child. I have little doubt that Alessa was probably at least partly crazy.
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Post by dreggnog on Jul 26, 2010 23:23:50 GMT
Yeah I understand and playing 3 or Origins doesn't really upset me, although the movie does. Though looking at it one way you can technically see her as a victim, she wasn't well portrayed as one, and I feel that's very important, because that means many who went to see the movie missed the point. I remember seeing an interview of some sort before the movie came out where the girl who played Alessa said she liked her part because "It's fun being bad." If it wasn't clear to her that Alessa was the victim in the story, then the movie failed. I don't care that she was a child, she was IN the movie, and I was able to tell when I was little playing SH1 that Alessa was the victim.
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Post by katran on Jul 27, 2010 1:23:26 GMT
Though looking at it one way you can technically see her as a victim, she wasn't well portrayed as one, and I feel that's very important, because that means many who went to see the movie missed the point. I saw the movie without having played the games or even knowing what they were about and I totally got the point of Alessa being a victim. The explanation they gave towards the end spelled it out pretty darn well. I felt HORRIBLE for her and was really glad to see her get her revenge on the cult. So I have to disagree, I think the movie made that point very well. And to be fair to Jodelle Micah Ferland, she was around 11 or 12 when she played that part. I don't expect her to get all the fine nuances of any film at that age. In addition, she did play a "bad" character that actually doesn't exist in the games. She plays a demon of some sort that merges with the burned child Alessa, strongly amplifies her powers to enable her to tap into the Otherworld and helps her to get her revenge eventually (and presumably either causes Alessa to split into two or just helps her to do so). So that is most likely the character she was referring to when she says she was playing a "bad" character. Additionally, in an interview with Chrisotphe Gans, he said told her that one character she'd be playing was the devil, so obviously she had a dual role. The Alessa who took her revenge at the end was played by a much older actress, Lorry Ayers, not Jodelle. So Jodelle played the innocent Sharon who didn't know she was part of Alessa and the evil entity who just took the form of young Sharon/Alessa. So Jodelle's statement about playing a bad character was actually quite correct, and it doesn't refer to Alessa (whether or not she recognized the difference between Alessa and the evil entity I don't know, not having read or seen that interview).
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