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Post by Father Vincent on Jan 29, 2009 22:24:42 GMT
I just realized today that unless I miss my guess, the timeline of Homecoming is out of sync with the established history of the Silent Hill mythos. The whole point of the child sacrafice was to keep the Otherworld from invading Shepherd's Glen, right? But these sacrafices take place once every fifty years. If Homecoming is set in the present day, then it's incongruent with what we know to be the roots of the whole phenomenon. The sacrafice which Joshua was planned to be a part of was obviously not the first, but going by the established timeline, fifty years is too short a time for it to have been even the second. I'm forced to conclude that either Homecoming take place hundreds of years in the future or the whole history was reinvented for the game, which I'm trying not to let tick me off.
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Post by Pseudosapien on Jan 29, 2009 23:20:54 GMT
....which makes Travis' cameo wierder still doesn't it?.... I actually hadn't even considered this after playing, mainly as i was too busy reeling over the bizarre final boss, among other things..¬_¬; I would figure that the Otherworld DID manifest in Silent Hill but did not effect Shepherds Glen perhaps...Like they were able to prevent it having an effect there through their sacrifices somehow. It was seperate culty bods and beliefs going on after all was it not? So who's to say that the people of Shepherds Glen couldn't prevent it taking hold when the influence of Silent Hill was always so localised and focused on and around people truly within it..... OOOR even that they were warped enough to not notice when it did...<_< Though with the latter i would assume that some people would have to have noticed, as not all of them were total fruitloops.. I am intrigued to hear other opinions on this point, because goshdang this is niggling me now..XD
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Post by St. Aatos on Jan 30, 2009 1:21:32 GMT
UNMARKED SPOILERS!!
Actually, the timeline (at least SH:H wise) is as so.
Silent Hill Homecoming - Around October 15th or October 16th, 2007 (The last diary entry written by Alex before he escapes from the hospital is dated October 15th.)
Date of Joshua's death - September 23rd (??) 2003.
The town of Shepherd's Glenn was found in 1853, with the first sacrifices occurring then. So 2003 would have been the fourth set of sacrifices performed. However, things became messed up after Alex accidentally killed Joshua, and Adam couldn't bear to kill his only living son.
So actually, the timeline's not jacked up at all.
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Post by Father Vincent on Jan 30, 2009 23:48:54 GMT
I would figure that the Otherworld DID manifest in Silent Hill but did not effect Shepherds Glen perhaps...Like they were able to prevent it having an effect there through their sacrifices somehow. It was seperate culty bods and beliefs going on after all was it not? So who's to say that the people of Shepherds Glen couldn't prevent it taking hold when the influence of Silent Hill was always so localised and focused on and around people truly within it..... OOOR even that they were warped enough to not notice when it did...<_< Though with the latter i would assume that some people would have to have noticed, as not all of them were total fruitloops.. But it did affect Shepherd's Glen. It's got mist and monsters and broken streets and everything. UNMARKED SPOILERS!! The town of Shepherd's Glenn was found in 1853, with the first sacrifices occurring then. So 2003 would have been the fourth set of sacrifices performed. However, things became messed up after Alex accidentally killed Joshua, and Adam couldn't bear to kill his only living son. So actually, the timeline's not jacked up at all. Yes, but what I mean is that the Homecoming timeline contradicts the one we're already familiar with. As I said, the whole point of the sacrifices was to keep the Otherworld from invading Shepherd's Glen. According to the heretofore established timeline, the Otherworld didn't even exist until Zer0rigins, hundreds of years after the town was founded and the sacrifices began.
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Post by St. Aatos on Jan 31, 2009 1:13:57 GMT
I had a lot longer reply, but then my computer glitched up.
The OtherWorld had always existed, but it wasn't until SH:0 (for those who consider it canon) or SH1 (for those who don't consider SH:0 to be canon) that the power of the Otherworld became strong enough to call people with darkness in their hearts. It also wasn't until then either that 'reality started to become a nightmare'
So I'm confident that (if you believe in the supernatural cult aspects) that the god, or one of the gods granted the four families their separation from the Order, but demanded sacrifices lest they have the Otherworld devour SG.
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(if you believe in the psychological aspects.)
One of the members of the four families read about the Otherworld, and how it was caused by an angry god. After splitting from the Order; they get it engrained into their minds that they must sacrifice a child each, lest they bring the Otherworld to SG.
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Post by Father Vincent on Jan 31, 2009 4:44:40 GMT
Interesting. The idea that the Otherworld or the potential for it had always existed never occurred to me. I always took the Otherworld as being a result of the comatose Alessa's possession-induced perpetual nightmare spilling over into the real world by way of her unchecked and still growing psychic powers.
That's why I love the Silent Hill series. Very little of it is actually straightforward. There are different ways of looking at so many things.
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Post by nightwalker83 on Jan 31, 2009 7:30:39 GMT
My Silent Hill timeline (disregard the year dates, this timeline doesn't include Homecoming yet!):
@ Father Vincent how does Homecoming contradict what we already know about the timeline?
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Post by alx on Jan 31, 2009 9:52:16 GMT
The first several entries have unexpected exclaimation marks at the end. Pick a tense and stick with it... Alessa and Walter use present tense, everyone else seems to prefer past tense
Why does it matter when Maine became a state? Although it might makes sense to include this little fact
California was admitted into the Union as the 31st state on September 9, 1850.
Otherwise, it only needs some spellchecking
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Post by nightwalker83 on Jan 31, 2009 10:49:44 GMT
Why does it matter when Maine became a state? Although it might makes sense to include this little fact That is an old copy I still had left over from the SHF. The part about Maine was part of the Translated Memories. I haven't edited for while so I don't know if I have an updated version or not.
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Post by Father Vincent on Jan 31, 2009 16:04:22 GMT
@ Father Vincent how does Homecoming contradict what we already know about the timeline? Because Homecoming claims that the Otherworld has been around since the founding of Silent Hill. I suppose I could be wrong, but I was always under the impression that the Otherworld didn't come about until the time of Alessa's coma ("It's being invaded by the Otherworld - by a world of someone's nightmarish delusions come to life"). By the way, that's an impressively comprehensive history you've got there. Do you mind if I save that in a file on my hard drive?
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Post by St. Aatos on Feb 1, 2009 2:39:50 GMT
Just a small correction. SH4 doesn't occur in April.
Joseph disappeared August or September (his final entry is undated.) and six months from that is March or April. This is when Henry moves in.
He moved in two years ago, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he moved in exactly two years ago.
If you ask me I think it takes place in May. If you listen to the radio in the game, there's one part where they mention some event, Mom's against guns (or something like that.) which in the real world occurs in May.
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Post by owlwaxer on Feb 1, 2009 13:52:19 GMT
What about the Little Baroness? That happened in 1918, and it appears that something out of the ordinary went on, even if we don't look at the Arcade game. Maybe it didn't involve the Otherworld at all, I have no idea.
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Post by St. Aatos on Feb 1, 2009 18:20:36 GMT
I believe the Little Baroness is an example of it disappearing into the Otherworld, but not the otherworld so much pulling the Little Baroness in.
If that makes sense.
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Post by nightwalker83 on Feb 1, 2009 20:45:30 GMT
I believe the Little Baroness is an example of it disappearing into the Otherworld, but not the otherworld so much pulling the Little Baroness in. If that makes sense. Was that a real world Silent Hill event or other world Silent Hill event? I can't remember any info in SH2 pointing to either case?
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Post by St. Aatos on Feb 2, 2009 0:23:16 GMT
Legend of the Lake
Toluca Lake, the town's main tourist attraction. This clear, beautiful lake has another side as well.
It may seem like just a typical ghost story that you might find in any number of old towns across the country. But in this case, the legend is true.
On a fog-bound November day in 1918, the Little Baroness, a ship filled with tourists, failed to return to port.
A newspaper article from back then simply says "It most likely sunk for some reason". Despite an extensive police search, not a single fragment of the ship nor any of the 14 bodies of passengers or crew has ever been recovered to this day.
So it was a real world Silent Hill event.
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