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Post by alx on Feb 2, 2009 2:20:38 GMT
If the Native Americans knew the place was sacred then they were most likely aware of the Otherworld. And whether the Otherworld got the boat or the boat got the Otherworld (whatever that means) the Otherworld must've existed How is any of this contradictory? Because Homecoming claims that the Otherworld has been around since the founding of Silent Hill. I suppose I could be wrong, but I was always under the impression that the Otherworld didn't come about until the time of Alessa's coma ("It's being invaded by the Otherworld - by a world of someone's nightmarish delusions come to life") |
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Post by St. Aatos on Feb 2, 2009 4:19:23 GMT
Because some believe that the Otherworld didn't exist, until Alessa created it. In reality the Otherworld always existed, but it was Alessa who made it strong enough to call people with darkness in their hearts.
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Post by nightwalker83 on Feb 2, 2009 7:21:13 GMT
Legend of the LakeSo it was a real world Silent Hill event. Where in the game is the article located? Just a small correction. SH4 doesn't occur in April. According to Moreau the Japanese scripts said Joseph died in October. |
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Post by Father Vincent on Feb 2, 2009 22:05:33 GMT
Because some believe that the Otherworld didn't exist, until Alessa created it. In reality the Otherworld always existed, but it was Alessa who made it strong enough to call people with darkness in their hearts. Ooooohhhh, I see what you're getting at. Yeah okay, I can dig that. So basically what you're saying is that the "Otherworld" that people settled in Shepherd's Glen to escape from was still in what could be called a sort of "alpha phase." That is to say, it wasn't the full-blown darkness and blood and rust and metal grates and what have you Otherworld, but it was enough to make people want out. That's what I get for not paying attention in history class back at Midwich Elementary. |
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Post by alx on Feb 3, 2009 1:46:42 GMT
How do you account for Laura? I will conceed that Alessa had the (possibly) unprecidented ability to open the Otherworld at will but the place was there long before Alessa was born and it can call pure souls as well (which most likely means it could call anyone) Because some believe that the Otherworld didn't exist, until Alessa created it. In reality the Otherworld always existed, but it was Alessa who made it strong enough to call people with darkness in their hearts. |
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Post by St. Aatos on Feb 3, 2009 2:11:31 GMT
The Otherworld calls to people with darkness in their hearts. Laura, believe it or not had darkness in her heart. But we shouldn't confuse darkness with guilt over having killed someone.
And also according to Silent Hill Chronicles: Book of Lost Memories.
Silent Hill is a town where an ominous god is worshipped, and where those
who hold darkness in their hearts gather. This is a look back at half of
the lifetime of the young girl from whom it all originated.
and
? years later: Silent Hill 2
the materialization of delusions
Starting with the first game, the power that the town holds has
intensified greatly. It has reached the point that those who hold darkness
in their hearts are called to gather, and each of their unconscious minds
is manifested.
@nightwalker.
Okay, so Joseph died in October. Six months later Henry moved in. Which makes it April. Alright I concede.
Also, I haven't played SH2 in a while, but if I remember correctly you find the article either in the hospital, or the prison.
@ Father Vincent.
My guess, is that if they didn't sacrifice the children, the otherworld would 'devour' the town itself.
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Post by Tabris on Feb 3, 2009 17:14:50 GMT
If the god's been worshipped there forever and the god's influence and power helps create the otherworld than the otherworld has to have been around for as long as the god has been.
The otherworld is also influenced by one's individual persona. Alessa had the god inside her, so her influence came out through the god for the otherworld to be the way she viewed it.
Same with James and how he seen it. Or Walter's perspectives. They weren't influenced by Alessa's world or her power as far as I'm concerned. Just the spiritual aspects of the land itself which involves the otherworld and the 'Old gods' influence.
Alessa's influence was probably just so severe because the god itself was becoming physically manifested as some sort of avatar.
I really really doubt Alessa herself created the otherworld as a whole.
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Post by alx on Feb 4, 2009 1:19:11 GMT
I agree with Tabris- strong argument, rational conclusion
@aatos: So you're going to cite Laura's illness as her source of darkness? If that's the case then EVERYONE has darkness in their hearts making it a useless criteria for selection...
So Harry had darkness cos his wife died and Cheryl had darkness because she didn't get the pony she wanted for xmas?
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Post by St. Aatos on Feb 4, 2009 4:23:39 GMT
First of all, can anyone please tell me where I said that Alessa created the Other world? Because I remember clearly saying; And I bolded the important parts. We don't know why, but for some reason, because of Alessa, the Otherworld became stronger. Note how I never say, "The Otherworld suddenly came into existence" alx The discussion of why Laura was drawn to Silent Hill came up in a thread I posted over at Silent Hill Talk. The user ERROR stated the following. And I pretty much agree with that. And by the way Alx, could you please not misquote me? I never said that the darkness in Laura's heart was "her being sick" in fact, what I said was; Tell me where you see the words 'sick' or 'illness' in there. |
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Post by nightwalker83 on Feb 4, 2009 7:44:46 GMT
First of all, can anyone please tell me where I said that Alessa created the Other world? I remember someone said that on shf.co.uk! |
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Post by St. Aatos on Feb 4, 2009 9:43:08 GMT
Umm, that's...I don't know. But Alx seems to have the impression that I'm telling people that Alessa created the Other world; when in reality I am not.
So I just want to know how someone can get "Alessa definitely created the Otherworld!" from "Some believe that Alessa created the Otherworld; but in reality it always existed. Alessa just made it stronger."
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Post by alx on Feb 4, 2009 15:15:54 GMT
Qualify how Laura has darkness in her heart... I assumed you'd take the illness angle as it was the obvious one (but I never actually said you endorsed it, read the post again)
Where did you get the idea that I said you think Alessa invented the Otherworld? You stated the opposite in at least one post in this thread alone
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Post by St. Aatos on Feb 5, 2009 2:01:59 GMT
alx - Part of that post was directed at Tabris (the whole 'Alessa didn't create the otherworld, she only made it stronger.) I also already explained that a similar discussion concerning Laura's darkness was had at another forum. In the discussion; a user 'ERROR' stated that the darkness in Laura's heart is extreme lonliness. And I agree with it.
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Post by Tabris on Feb 5, 2009 17:59:39 GMT
Ah my apologies if my post seemed directed at your comments. It wasn't really, it was meant to be objective and directed at no one.
Just something I thought about when I was reading this thread and decided to post.
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Post by alx on Feb 5, 2009 22:45:23 GMT
Yeah, I think a few toes got stepped on accidentally but now it seems like everything is cleared up
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