Judas
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Post by Judas on Jan 30, 2011 6:54:11 GMT
Alright, I love this game and I want to keep playing it but I keep getting seriously frustrated.
The leveling system in this game utterly sucks. Even while trying to "efficiently level" I always level up lower than I'd like and my character always ends up weaker than all the other enemies.
Because I almost always level weaker than the creatures around me, it makes the game virtually unplayable.
Anyone have any advice on how to successfully level up and therefore play the game?
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Post by Toadkiller Dog on Jan 30, 2011 8:02:07 GMT
Enemies actually scale in level with you, so even if you power level, it won't matter.
It depends on what you're leveling, the most "efficient" way to level is to just pick things you'll be doing anyway as major attributes, like acrobatics (You'll be running everywhere anyway.), stuff like that.
But I've honestly never really found Oblivion to be a difficult game, so I don't know what to say. The thing that sucks, is even if you level up, the most you can do is catch up to enemies around you, since they'll level too.
All I can say is if what you're doing in combat isn't working, think out a new approach. I often played a thief, so I used to snipe people with my bow that I could take head on.
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Post by Judas on Jan 30, 2011 10:45:12 GMT
I had always heard that the enemies level up with you, but leveled to thier maximum potential. In other words, if I had a poor level up (say +3 +3 +2) they still had a level up of +5 +5 +5.
So, to simplify it, they were a stronger level 25 than me, or whatever.
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Post by AlexY on Jan 30, 2011 12:04:53 GMT
Are you playing vanilla Oblivion? Are you positively bonkers?
Good God, you're not playing on a console, are you? PLEASE say you're playing on the PC. Oblivion fully modded with FCOM is the only way to play it properly, without level scaling, a completely different XP system ala old-school D&D and, you know, actual gameplay. Where you need to think. Not spam keys.
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Post by dreggnog on Jan 30, 2011 23:19:10 GMT
lol, I don't get mods. That would make it a different game in my mind. I would have to start calling it something else.
Then again, the game could use some tweaking. I don't like quite a few things about it.
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Post by Vaan-Knight on Jan 31, 2011 7:36:44 GMT
I play it on x360 and never felt it too difficult... perhaps once those sexy spiders started appearing in oblivion, but then you just have to get used to buff yourself with the right spell. A piece of advice: finish the Dark Brotherhood storyline before anything else, and get at least journeyman in the sneak skill, if you go all solid snake on the enemies' arses, you get 2-6 times the power if you hit them while undetected. raise the right skills and at LV 15 you'll be clearing dungeons without a scratch.
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Post by Judas on Jan 31, 2011 8:49:52 GMT
No PC for me. I prefer to play my games on the overpriced ultra-breakable PS3, cause that's how I roll.
Usually I never really used the sneak skill or offensive spells. I'd really rather hack and slash my way through the world, but maybe that's just too difficult to do in this game.
(Just to clarify, early experience levels were super easy for me. But went I got to the late 20s - early 30s, I started getting my butt handed to me.)
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Post by AlexY on Jan 31, 2011 11:33:43 GMT
lol, I don't get mods. That would make it a different game in my mind. I would have to start calling it something else. Oh, not mods such as "kawaii-lol-desu female bodies chibi edition" or "huge mansion right near the starting prison for no apparent reason loaded with the best items and scrolls" - mods that genuinely expand on TES principles and make it more efficient (interface/graphic tweaking) and even more open (XP scale far larger, but getting XP for everything from reading books to finding ruins, etc.), but most importantly NO LEVEL SCALING - it makes it so better it boggles the mind. You're safe as long as you travel on the road, but as soon as you go deeper into the woods or mountains, trolls afoot! Dungeons aren't actually copy-paste hackfests with leveled loot - you can battle monsters far beyond your level for hours to get a stupid amulet in the end - or you can literally fumble on an abandoned ruin with treasure afoot. It makes it much more unpredictable and fun. I don't know, I can't think of vanilla Oblivion without cringing a bit. I'll post a screenshot once to demonstrate what I mean.
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Post by dreggnog on Jan 31, 2011 11:49:04 GMT
Interesting. The level scaling does bother me. I feel like I should be able to go to an area early in the game and bomb an enemy fifty feet. Of course there isn't such a thing as "early in the game" so I dunno. I'm just not used to these kindof RPGs, the only first-person RPG is Etrian Odyssey lol, much different.
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Post by Toadkiller Dog on Feb 1, 2011 4:41:45 GMT
Elder Scrolls came years, even over a decade before Etrian Odyssey though, and Etrian Odyssey is hardly the first of it's kind. Dating back to Wizardry, even Swords and Serpents for the NES.
For that matter, the first Persona's dungeon crawling was done in first person. (As well as earlier Shin Megami Tensei games.)
Oblivion is a fantastic game though, as was Morrowind. And the new Elder Scrolls game, Skyrim is looking to AMAZING.
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Post by Judas on Feb 1, 2011 7:12:41 GMT
I just read that TES: Skyrim will have a leveling system similar to Fallout and not Oblivion, so I'm officially excited. Apparently graphics, gameplay, animations, and voice acting have all been overhauled.
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Post by dreggnog on Feb 1, 2011 10:25:34 GMT
Sorry I meant to say the ONLY first person RPG I've beaten is Etrian Odyssey, I'm aware it's nothing new and I'm CERTAINLY aware it's not the world's only first-person RPG since I'm on an Oblivion thread.
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Post by Toadkiller Dog on Feb 1, 2011 10:48:09 GMT
Skyrim's scope in general just sounds amazing. And it doesn't use Fallout's leveling system, it uses it's own, new one.
Bascially it's a combination of Oblivion's and Fallout's. No more classes either. Like real life, you become what you put yourself to. If you're constantly being sneaky, you'll end up playing a thief. Likewise if you favor just rushing in without regard to your own well being to clobber anything in your path, you'll play as a barbarian.
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Post by Vaan-Knight on Feb 2, 2011 23:53:06 GMT
Another great way to get VERY useful items (at least the ebony sword, the skeleton key and the star of.. I forgot its name) is completing the Daedric Shrines' quests as soon as you get to the required level.
Or... take with you the adoring fan wherever you go, he's by far the most useful NPC in all of Tamriel. You'll love his quiet nature as well.
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