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Post by Cenobite, that cute pariah on Mar 23, 2009 21:51:23 GMT
Really was a shame that they had to ditch the pirate comic parts, but I knew they'd never make it into the film to begin with You're aware that its being done as an animated feature, right? Rumor has it a directors cut DVD will integrate the Black Freighter stuff back into the main film. As for the film itself, I thought it was as close to perfect as can be reasonably expected for a roughly 2 and a half hour film. The new ending works well, arguably better then the original. Personally I don't see what the big deal about Dr. Manhattan's nudity was. I barely noticed it.
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Post by blackswordsman on Mar 24, 2009 1:58:46 GMT
Personally I don't see what the big deal about Dr. Manhattan's nudity was. I barely noticed it. I think the thing is, even if it were blatant obvious nudity, what's the matter? Why are people so bothered about Dr. M blue penis? Why are people so bothered about nudity? Everybody is OK with the over the top violence and gore, but the poor blue man's penis is questioned. Tsc tsc.
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Post by alx on Mar 24, 2009 14:24:05 GMT
At the time I posted, that wasn't known to me. I've since watched a clip and IMHO, they could've done much better. The animation really lacked style. That having been said it were a salty part of a nutritous breakfast wif blood and rum to make it complete! With regards to Dr. Monty- I didn't have a problem with it other than I think they went nuts with the physics and Dr. Girlfriend kept elbowing me every time and she has really sharp elbows
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Post by Toadkiller Dog on Mar 25, 2009 2:15:59 GMT
Finally saw the movie, and from the opinion of a man who has considered the Watchmen graphic novel the absolute idea of what a comic book should be for years, I was utterly impressed.
It stayed so close to the subject matter that I could recite lines and scenes as I watched it. There were some changes, and I think about every one of them was for the better.
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Post by AlexY on Mar 29, 2009 21:06:12 GMT
OK, I read The Watchmen yesterday, must say, excellent read. Loved the chapter on Mars to death. If that's in the movie, aces. :3
I am eagerly awaiting a DVD release of the film. I doubt I'll have time to see it in the cinema. (I love the movie's site BTW, so sleek.)
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Post by Toadkiller Dog on Mar 30, 2009 13:11:28 GMT
My biggest reason for loving Watchmen, and this has been this way for years since first reading it, is Rorschach. His character is so fucking powerful, it moves me. A complete selfless and totally convictional hand of retribution. No one really likes him, though the film makes lighter of this fact in his relationship with Niteowl. Most consider him a complete nutjob, and in some senses they're right in the assumption. But the fact of the matter is he breaks his back to uphold justice with his own hands for civilians, because of his own personal conviction. And yet, no one really likes or appreciates him, not the civilians, the other Watchmen, anyone. See, there's quite a bit of myself in the character (Aside from us both being short as hell..), and I've always really enjoyed him on that note. But while his methods are blunt and often brutal, even fatal, it's all in the name of justice. He's there to stand up to injustice, even when no one else will or can, and does it selflessly. AND His death scene was handled so very well in the film I nearly cried watching it. I knew it was going to happen, as I've read the book so many times...but still when it did...I almost shed a tear. No compromise, even in the face of death. The scene was VERY powerful. Rorschach also has my favorite lines in the movie, one of which was NOT in the book, that being "Men get arrested, dogs get put down."
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Post by Cenobite, that cute pariah on Apr 1, 2009 3:35:26 GMT
Well, Rorschach is a nutjob. that was intentional on Moore's part. I think he's an interesting character because, while I find a lot about him to admire, I find equal amounts to despise. The Comedian was similar in this regard. AND His death scene was handled so very well in the film I nearly cried watching it. I knew it was going to happen, as I've read the book so many times...but still when it did...I almost shed a tear. No compromise, even in the face of death. The scene was VERY powerful. Rorschach also has my favorite lines in the movie, one of which was NOT in the book, that being "Men get arrested, dogs get put down." Okay, I might as well bring up an age-old debate amongst my friends: Who died?
In other words, who was it that shouted "Do it!" at Dr. Manhattan? Rorschach or Kovacs?
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Post by AlexY on Apr 2, 2009 20:10:17 GMT
Okay, I might as well bring up an age-old debate amongst my friends: Who died?
In other words, who was it that shouted "Do it!" at Dr. Manhattan? Rorschach or Kovacs? I say Kovacs. He did take off the mask, and that's the symbolic way of saying it. I know, it seems too obvious, but I like to think that way - Kovacs just hiding behind Rorschach waiting for that fateful moment when it will be over and finally take control, just for that one blink. It leaves a bigger impression that way, I think so.
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Post by Cenobite, that cute pariah on Apr 3, 2009 0:11:55 GMT
I say Kovacs. He did take off the mask, and that's the symbolic way of saying it. I know, it seems too obvious, but I like to think that way - Kovacs just hiding behind Rorschach waiting for that fateful moment when it will be over and finally take control, just for that one blink. It leaves a bigger impression that way, I think so. I tend to agree. I see it as a situation where Rorschach knew he should compromise his ideals for the good of the world, but just couldn't do it.
Rorschach couldn't compromise, even if he wanted to, but Kovacs could. Therefore Kovacs had to take over. Removing the mask was symbolic of this.
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Post by Toadkiller Dog on Apr 6, 2009 20:43:28 GMT
I agree, and I don't. It makes logical sense actually, what's been mentioned here. But in the same sense I think Rorschach died.
Why? Because Kovacs is no more, Rorschach said it himself. Walter Kovacs had been dead and buried for a good while, there is no more Kovacs. Rorschach was the whole, masked or unmasked. He was just faceless without the mask, though still Rorschach.
What died was the conflicting ideals for Rorschach. On one hand, he knew that the world would be at peace with the results that had taken place. On the other hand, thousands had to die to make it happen, and no matter what the outcome of that cost, it still came as a cost, and a very unfair, unjust cost.
The intentions behind the idea were in the best, but no matter what, the people that were sacrificed to make peace had no say in the matter, and died regardless, and in the sense it wasn't fair, and it wasn't in justice. Rorschach knew this, and I feel didn't know which way to turn. As a result he was forced on his gut instincts, which is that of zero compromise. He knew he'd die, he knew he couldn't beat Manhattan. But still he could not give up and give in.
That's something we all really know though, but I still say Rorschach died, as Kovacs was long dead. And it's funny you bring up the nutjob thing Cenobite. I still don't really feel Rorschach fits that bill. He's got mental issues for sure, a lot of deep mental scars. But I also think he's quite intelligent, just "eccentric", for lack of better wording. There's a lot to dislike in his character and how he does things. But at the same time, I feel there's more to admire. He, like the Comedian sees life for what it actually is. They didn't hide behind illusions of what others thought it should be. Rorschach's reality is harsh, brutal and unforgiving, but he still can think rationally, and I think that's what sets him apart from a true nutjob.
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