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Post by Cenobite, that cute pariah on Mar 2, 2011 17:24:30 GMT
HAhahaha. I'm reasonably familiar with the cease and desist. I'm not sure if you guys ever saw the game "Bid for Power", but it was a Dragon Ball Z game that got made but couldn't be released due to conflict with funimation. I was selling a "acquired" copy on ebay, and got a cease and desist letter. The Quake 3 Arena mod. Yeah, as soon as I saw the early shots I knew that Funimation (who are as notorious as Fox for stamping out fan made things) would step in.
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Post by The Crimson One on Mar 5, 2011 6:04:39 GMT
Bingo! Hahaha. Yea, it was actually pretty decent as far as a DBZ game goes, especially for the time period.
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Post by mr. worncoat on Mar 7, 2011 21:24:03 GMT
Or we could always make a trailer. That would be fun. I'll think on this more. To get back on topic, a fan trailer was something I had in mind for the longest time. I had this guy who never got back to me about it, but he said that as long as somebody had any assortment of video, it could be easily mashed up into something. If we have somebody here who could do that, connect video that members record and ship out to be reconstructed into something solid, how about we try it out? Throw it up on youtube and so on, with an advertisement to the forum?
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Post by alx on Mar 8, 2011 1:02:37 GMT
Brilliant idea... Half the time the trailers are better than the films anyway. The trailer can also be a sorta proof of concept. Who sez we have to stop at one trailer anyway?
Of course, it would make a lot more sense to have a rough concept if not a finished script to work from
As far as shooting goes, does anyone have contact info for Eileen Gavin? She seems to rock the cosplay side of things
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Post by The Crimson One on Mar 11, 2011 2:30:46 GMT
Are you proposing, that separate people film a bunch of Silent Hillish stuff and then send them to one place to be cut into a trailer? Cause I kinda dig it. I will also say, I am a video editor, and would love to edit it. Maybe we would need to vote on something like that though. Hmmm interesting indeed... I suppose we would need to agree upon resolution etc. What about we could come up with a few different ideas about what we would want to see in the trailer, and then see who is best located etc. to shoot that particular shot? Now I'm all excited! 1 minute later... Oh Oh! And we will definitely need some good music, and a good narration to go over it. Something that feels like it's from a bigger work. Things that would be good, would be establishing shots, like streets, shop windows, roads etc. that are Silent Hill like. Preferably with a nice smooth camera move. I can always take a good deal of jitter our of the shot if it is reasonably smooth. Also, maybe some push ins or like quick shots of characters. Maybe shoot some footage for an otherworld transition shot if we want it hmmmmmmm.....keep thinking about it!
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Post by alx on Mar 11, 2011 9:00:13 GMT
Well I suppose we could always just make cool trailers which are indicative of nothing but yeah, we come up with the idea of what the trailer should look like and then move forward from there
I should think the place to start would be to have a FPO trailer that would already be cut to the music and then we keep swapping out the placeholders with the final products 'till the deed is done
This way anyone shooting the live action segments knows exactly what we want, same for whoever is doing the digital effects. Also it allows for multiple contributors to be working on the project simultaneously to reduce turn-around and completion times
What say you? Also were you still coming out to LA?
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Post by The Crimson One on Mar 12, 2011 0:25:52 GMT
Yea, I dig that idea. Dig it a lot.
yea, may still be headed that way at some point. Right now I got some video stuff going on here. hoping to get enough quality things to get on somewhere nice in L.A. or somewhere comparable.
A friend of mine has been working on features down there (Vancouver B.C. also), and he said he would give me a recommendation, so I may be using it...
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Post by mr. worncoat on Mar 30, 2011 23:43:17 GMT
So if I'm reading this correctly, Crimson, you'd be volunteering to edit together whatever footage can be collected for a trailer? Mayhaps a new thread should be propped up for this to start a larger discussion. Either way, I know my camera's standing by. This will be fun.
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Post by blacky on Apr 3, 2011 3:05:01 GMT
sorry to get all academic, but I think we should establish a concept before we run out with cameras. it's an entry film student mistake, give them a camera and they will prouberly just go to the nearest woods and make a 'Blair Witch' knock off. Lets not be like that.
Even trailers have an concept, an point to them. They have something they want to get across. And I think if we are going to make a trailer, It should say a little bit more more than just "We really really like Silent Hill" It doesn't have to be complicated, the best concepts are always the simple ones. But I think it would help the film alot if we had one established, because then the creative process will work much better.
and as for featuring otherworld transitions, I'd be careful. The whole otherworld thing is a unique concept of Silent Hill, using that isn't as much as taking inspiration as it is ripping off. Unless we can make it different, not just visually but in context. Mabye isn't an literal world change as it is Physiological, you know something that would separate it from Silent hill. Mabye looking at how transition is used in other works could help
There's alot of stuff in Silent hill we can use, because they wern't unique to the games to begin with, the Francis Bacon like monsters, the Japanese method of horror and storytelling. Using those are all fine, but if you are going to lift unique aspects of the games, it's important to make it your own.
God I am starting to sound like my Tutor, that's kinda scary
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Post by mr. worncoat on Apr 23, 2011 17:55:02 GMT
Well that doesn't sound to hard at all. Keeping it as a simple trailer, we open her up with some light music as the camera pans onto some scenery. A monoluge starts up. The speaker starts vague, maybe another voice or two joins in. Enter person A, dawdling somewhere. It gets quiet. Out of nowhere, critter, attack, music picks up into chaotic mess, switch between multiple scenes of somehow related things, trailer ends with quiet and one last line. Roll credits, forum mentioned, youtube it. If Crimson would still want to edit, or if somebody else would be given the responsibility, it'd be a nice little group project.
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Post by Sindaiin on Apr 26, 2011 1:50:31 GMT
My two cents: Good idea, but legality will kill it. You'd be much better off creating something Silent Hill inspired, but not related to Silent Hill. I'm thinking things along the lines of Se7en, American McGee's Alice, Hide & Seek, etc. We'd be safe doing such things and wouldn't end up with the inevitable iron hammer on the project. Murder mysteries are always good too.
If you need I writer: I'm totally down. Lemme know if you need one, but unless you get permission to do Silent Hill, I won't be handing over and SH fanfics. Original stuff is safe and much cheaper. Remember, Silent Hill would cost tens of thousands in budget for believable environments and creatures. You can't really fake it with the unknown, because SH is all about symbolism, so we'd need a sponser with a considerable wallet, and a good costume designer, and a lot of man power to set up sets for fog world and otherworld.
I don't mean to be a drag, but unless those issues are sorted out or we decide on an original plotline, there's no point in wasting the money and energy to get shut down later. If it's legal though, I'll help any way I can, so count me in. (My forte is writing and designing, but I'm good with cameras and art as well.)
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Post by mr. worncoat on Apr 28, 2011 21:57:28 GMT
Unless we're making money off of it, I don't see how there could be a legal issue. And really, all this involves is a few minutes of cobbled-together nonesense. The extent of seriousness dies at the point where we just have fun with it. It's not like we're making an actual fan movie, or that anybody will need to pour in a few paychecks for cinematic gold.
The way I've been seeing this, each person participating in this films themselves doing whatever, or whatever is prearranged. The recordings are sent to somebody who edits it all together, and leaves us with, at most, a fake five minute trailer. No expensive props, no cgi, just the best/worst acting this forum can provide.
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Post by blacky on Apr 30, 2011 3:14:29 GMT
I like how people always think copyright rules all come down to money, Fact is they dont. It doesn't matter if we are making money off it or not, they still can legally force an cease and desist order which if ignored can lead to something more serious
If someone has copyrightment over something, it is their property. using it without asking is stealing. As fans we always complain if a silent hill adaption is fucked up by the changing of characters and events and so on, but at least the people who did that got the right to do that, they asked and payed money for that right. How would people feel if someone went and messed up things without even asking? It's like someone using your bedroom and rearranging everything without asking. Some people get away with it, because the companies don't mind how people are using their ideas and concepts. But there are others who would mind.
Of course there are fair use rights, such as parody and criticism, but none of the proposed ideas so far fall under any of those.
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Post by mr. worncoat on Apr 30, 2011 3:51:42 GMT
And to that, I would ask as to what would be keeping this from being considered or molded into a parody?
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Post by blacky on Apr 30, 2011 14:27:54 GMT
Well nothing is stoping it from being turned into an parody, it would just mean changing the orginal dramatic trailer idea into an comical one. Depends on how many people here would be happy with that as it's an different concept all together.
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